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I always look to what democrats accuse others of to figure out what THEY are doing.

This idea crystallized in my mind because of the story about Senator Clyburn of South Carolina accusing Green of being a plant.

Do you trust government?   

Do you think Rand Paul was wrong when he said the civil rights act of 1964 theoretically goes too far when it bans discrimination in a private business?  If you do then you are substantively against private property rights.   Keep that in mind as you watch Broken Rainbow.  Had the Navaho and Hopi been treated according to the morality and legal philosophy of a libertarian they would have been compensated for their land.   Instead we played by the rules of the Neofeudalist class.   Since Navaho and Hopi did not have many votes to offer they were run over.   By not believing in private property and libertarianism you open the door to all manner of "sharp operators".  Many of whom end up in the United States Government.

Note when watching this video that the left romanticize primitive cultures and would have you believe several obviously false things.  They would have you believe had the native americans not been hoodwinked by actors in the U.S. Government and Peabody coal that they would have refused to allow mining on their land.  This is a tall assumption.   A more plausible reality is that the price paid by Peabody and company would have risen to market value and the Navaho and Hopi would have sold out sooner or later. 

The left sees opportunity in people treated shabbily.  However their eyes are always on making names for themselves or opening new territories in legal standing and representation.  This is not unlike opening wide open frontier land with little competition.  What would you expect? So many of them are lawyers.  If they do not see a chance for recovering on your claim you will get very little love from them.

Tarentino is working on a sequel to Soylent Green.   It will be titled Dorito Orange.  The project is contingent upon being able to get Charlie Crist to play the lead.

Dorito Orange is people!

When the curtain falls down on Charlies political career Mitch Daniels will be standing by to say:   "Mitch thinks  – Time to get over Charlie Crist".  But at least Charlie will have his acting career to look forward to.  Not much a transition from paid liar to paid playactor.  So do not look for Charlie to fade away.  His tan does not allow fading.  It is some sort of weird Doritos orange that never fades. 

Watch this video to get an idea of how governments, banks and bankers are colluding to make you their serfs in a neo feudal world.

Point the finger!  It is all Bushes fault.       Obama came out today and said "I am not responsible".   Who could disagree with that?  He pointed the finger at British Petroleum and Halliburton.  Meanwhile the hated oil leaks! 

Liberals want you to know they are perfect and if anything goes wrong the finger pointing begins.    Obama will not point the way to the future.  In the future Obama will be pointing! 

               What would you expect the perfect to do?  Blame it on themselves?  Well I do  not have to explain to you why that makes absolutely no sense at all.  

   Hey  Obama …..how many terms will you serve?   

I attempted to buy some ddr memory from.   The product was promised to be sent by EMS.  What they do is put a package full of nothing into the postal system in the slowest manner possible so they can send you a tracking number but it arrives with nothing. Only later did  I find other people listing this fraud on an Alibaba forum webpage.

Helpful Links

• Forum page with list of scammers including Haibai Wang
  
• AlibabaScam.com

I have found this fake business on other websites:  You can see here:  http://haibaiwang.en.gongchang.com/about

I am sure they will show up other places so make sure to google their informations:

• Google Haibaiwang International Electron Trading C
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Haibaiwang International Electron Trading Co.  Ltd.

I used a SWIFT wire money transfer to the following account:

email address:  hbwhksale01@yahoo.cn

MSN:SeliTing@hotmail.com
Yahoomessager:hbwhksale01@yahoo.cn
Tell:086-852-53759003
Fax:086-852-53759003
Website:http://www.haibaiwang.en.alibaba.com/

Beneficiary Information

Recipient name: Haibai Wang

Beneficiary Account Number:  6013 8264 0700 3270 143

Beneficiary Address: Flat 01B2, 9/F Carnival Commercial Building,18 Java Road, North Point, Hong Kong

Beneficiary Phone Number:  086-852-53759003

Beneficiary Bank Information

SWIFT code:  BKCHCNBJ73D

Bank Name:  Bank of China, Zhangzhou Branch

No. 16 North Datong Road, Zhangzhou , China

The Alibaba account of this person has been cancelled and is no longer available except by using the google cache contents.  You can see a screen shot below.

我试图从买些DDR内存。该产品是承诺将通过EMS发送。他们做的是投入的邮政系统中最慢的方式可能没有完整的 一套，以便他们可以向您发送一个跟踪号码，但什么也没有到达。后来才发现其他人的阿里巴巴上市论坛网页这个骗局。

Haibaiwang国际电子贸易有限公司

我用的SWIFT线以下帐户汇款：

电子邮件地 址：hbwhksale01@yahoo.cn

的MSN：SeliTing@hotmail.com
Yahoomessager：hbwhksale01@yahoo.cn
告诉:086 – 852 – 53759003
传真:086 – 852 – 53759003
网 址：http://www.haibaiwang.en.alibaba.com/

收款人信息

收件人姓名：王海北

收款人帐号：6013 8264 0700 3270 143

收款人地址：平01B2，9 /女嘉年华商业大厦18渣华道，北角，香港

收款人电话号码：086-852-53759003

收款人银行信息

SWIFT代码：BKCHCNBJ73D

银行名称：中国银行漳州分行

大同路16号北，漳州，中国

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Be aware that some frauds will use the name of a legitimate vendor. 

A friend recently found that his credit card was already used on a existing PayPal account.  Thus he could not add this credit card to his existing account.  Upon review of his credit card bill several purchases for approximately 5 dollars appear randomly over the past year from various websites.  One of the sites is Amp-Games.com.  If you look up Amp-Games.com on Alexa you will see that it has no traffic numbers.  In order to have no traffic numbers it has to have almost nonexistant traffic.  Thus here is what I theorize is happening.

1. Joe Blow sets many many websites where he can sell some stupid game software like on Amp-Games.com.  The idea is to deliver an electronic product that you can claim is not bogus.
2. Joe then hacks or gets a big list of credit card numbers.
3. Joe uses this credit card info to set up a PayPal accounts.
4. Joe goes to a coffee shop off site and makes purchases from his websites using paypal accounts.  Now he can just say he receives money for a legitimate purpose. It is not HIS fault someone used a fraudulant credit card transaction.
5. Since it is only 5 bucks most people will not even notice the charge on their account
6. If you read the user agreement Amp-Games.com you will see: Refund Policy – We guarantee a full refund of purchase made on our website if the customer is not satisfied with the quality of the product or has additional requirements. The refund is processed within 2 business days.  …………..Thus if anybody sees the charge on their credit card bill and complains they just give the money back.

If I was a scoundrel this is how I would do it.   Its low on the radar.  The scam may go on for years or forever for that matter.

Addendum:  This scam looks alot like something mentioned in this story:   FTC Says Scammers Stole Millions, Using Virtual Companies

Hi

I am Senator Fossil FineGold.  I get tired from my work in the senate self promoting and giving the reaches across the isle but not too tired to bash a fellow republican.  

I am the most senatorial of ex presidential candidates.

I may not have been very tough on Barack Obama but I was on my fellow republicans!

Senator Fossil ran his flacid presidential campaign with an eye towards retaining his senate seat that he has sat in so long it now form fits to his behind.   If he had been as tough on Barrack Obama as he is on JD Hayworth I might take him more seriously.  Now he starts acting more like a conservative because he has a primary challenge.  This leads me to ask:  Which political Halloween mask will he be wearing after November 2010???  He sometimes appears to act out of principle. Unfortunately the highest principle he operates off of appears to be reelection.

Senator Flacid could have won the 2008 presidential election had he merely had the courage of conviction and voted against the bailout.  But that would have left some of the nobel elites to fail and made way for new blood and new ideas.  That does not square with his persona.  Now instead of being adults and taking our knocks we are riding a trajectory that will have us augering in economically in the mid teens because a chuckle headed president thinks he can spend our way to prosperity.

If Senator Fossil would spend more time being a conservative instead of pretending to be one he would not have a primary challenger.  If reelected which one of the faces from his collection will he wear?

Senator Fossil ran a lame presidential campaign with an eye towards retaining his precious senate seat.  Now he goes after JD Hayworth with more gusto than he did against Barrack Obama and unmitigated socialist.

Senator Fossil was glad to try to force JD Hayworth off of the air claiming he was running a campaign off of the airwaves.  How should we feel about him running his campaign out of his position in the Senate???  Oh I see campaign free speech only applies when HE is doing it.  Sounds like a liberal to me.  Free to speak when I agree with what they say.  Shut up otherwise!

This commercial was paid for by putting fine gold in an envelop and mailing it to the would speech police in the Obama administration

This commercial was paid for by putting your free speech in an envelop and mailing it to congress in exchange for some fine gold.

Google Search for NCO Bill Collection

Good Article about these people:   NCO Financial Systems, Incorporated: Are Illegal Debt Collection Practices Too Common?

I found out about these people because they called at 9 am every morning.  I finally called the number back in an effort to insure that no identity theft was involved.  I do not live on credit so there was no reason for them to be calling.  When I got an attendent on the line she hung up on me when I refused to supply my phone number.  This was repeated 3 times.  She finally confirmed it was a bill collection agency.  I then supplied the number and she asked "Does Juanita SoAndSo live there?"  Of course she did not so I promptly ordered her not to call again.

There number is 866-849-2438   in case you want to call and let them know you do not approve of their behavior.

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Their Contact Information

NCO Street Addresses

507 Prudential Rd
Horsham, PA 19044-2308

75 Port Royal East, Suite 240
Montreal, Quebec H3L 3T1
1-514-385-4444
1-905-819-4270

NCO Contact Information

1-800-220-2274
1-800-550-9619
1-215-441-3000

Fax: 1-866-269-8669

NCO Website [www.ncogroup.com]
Another NCO Website [www.ncofinancial.com]

NCO Email Address [infoservices@ncogroup.com]

Further Information

NCO Better Business Bureau (BBB) Information

NCO may also be known as: (alias or dba)
Asset Care / Assetcare
CNOP Capital II, LLC
Creditrust Funding I, LLC
Creditrust SPV, LLC
GreenFlag Profit Recovery System
IMNV Holdings, LLC
InoVision Capital, LLC
Inovision Inc.
Inovision Medclr Portfolio Group, LLC
Inovision-Medclr NCOP Ventures, LLC
Integrated Capital
Marlin Integrated Capital Holding Corporation
MCL Financial
MCO Financial
Meclear / Medclr, Inc.
NCI
NCL Financial
NCO Capital I, LLC
NCO Financial Services, Inc.
NCO Group, Inc.
N.C.O. Group
NCO Portfolio Management, Inc.
NCOP Financing, Inc.
NCOP Holdings, LLC
NCOP Lakes, Inc.
NCOP Nevada Holdings
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NCOP-AN, LP
NCOP-BAR, LP
NCOP-CF-MED, LLC
NCOP-CVI-Marlin, LLC
NCOP/CF, LLC
NCOP/Marlin, Inc.
NCR
NFL Financial Systems
NOCP Capital Inc.
North Shore Agency Inc (NSA)
Patient Advocacy NCO Financial
Risk Management Alternatives
SJL Financials
Transworld Systems, Inc

Reported Telephone Numbers

978-388-2322 972-546-1548 937-427-7300 918-280-0811 918-260-6539 913-323-8350 909-202-8200 888-999-6031 888-899-8039 888-899-8034 888-899-6779 888-899-6028 888-899-6027 888-899-5921 888-899-5920 888-899-5883 888-899-5861 888-899-4784 888-899-4780 888-899-4763 888-899-3531 888-899-1592 888-889-2816 888-871-6484 888-848-8196 888-848-0833 888-831-8326 888-831-5317 888-807-7711 888-697-4372 888-691-8955 888-680-2954 888-666-8866 888-660-3234 888-550-3792 888-495-8352 888-480-1534 888-479-7925 888-432-3516 888-379-3776 888-305-9715 888-259-3021 888-245-3420 888-217-9861 888-212-5966 888-211-4248 888-211-3717 886-825-1748 877-997-9494 877-928-3842 877-899-0192 877-898-5004 877-888-2330 877-871-6484 877-864-5324 877-847-1486 877-847-0092 877-843-7429 877-806-0025 877-803-8010 877-803-8009 877-778-1799 877-769-7491 877-745-0426 877-720-6890 877-631-3713 877-621-2171 877-569-2768 877-542-1405 877-517-1978 877-495-0499 877-477-1827 877-373-5807 877-363-0954 877-337-2418 877-326-7047 877-324-0403 877-273-3495 877-253-5909 877-252-4534 877-212-9592 877-202-9492 877-202-9075 877-202-9074 877-202-7242 866-926-5742 866-926-5322 866-900-9612 866-889-6745 866-873-3979 866-873-2991 866-870-8316 866-870-8314 866-853-4965 866-853-4964 866-849-6441 866-849-2443 866-849-2438 866-846-5106 866-825-1748 866-816-1066 866-767-5640 866-752-3671 866-747-7627 866-711-4718 866-701-1275 866-699-2194 866-666-8018 866-626-9112 866-625-5093 866-579-5912 866-576-8284 866-576-1447 866-576-0188 866-575-1447 866-506-2667 866-473-9021 866-447-9302 866-447-4098 866-442-0536 866-437-7403 866-437-6488 866-429-3597 866-429-3592 866-429-3591 866-426-4288 866-425-8131 866-416-1426 866-401-2141 866-401-2140 866-381-9807 866-378-2735 866-376-1968 866-376-1967 866-374-1555 866-372-8498 866-372-8497 866-372-8491 866-372-8479 866-367-1967 866-360-9791 866-360-7471 866-358-1762 866-323-4131 866-316-2717 866-316-2714 866-316-2713 866-316-2711 866-296-4134 866-290-4653 866-287-2543 866-278-1213 866-266-6318 866-266-6250 866-265-2446 866-260-8944 866-254-1133 866-251-0699 866-249-3823 866-249-1722 866-248-5197 866-231-4370 866-230-1215 866-221-7959 866-220-7580 866-215-5938 813-890-2300 804-662-5600 800-979-6560 800-976-8307 800-969-2175 800-967-4100 800-967-2070 800-945-5010 800-933-6736 800-883-0613 800-877-4127 800-873-1993 800-860-4200 800-858-3164 800-848-7592 800-842-0640 800-829-5925 800-816-5569 800-810-0590 800-807-7809 800-786-9330 800-785-1426 800-761-4990 800-759-2224 800-747-6058 800-735-6588 800-731-5323 800-729-4404 800-727-8444 800-722-8955 800-711-2735 800-709-8625 800-709-8605 800-707-2637 800-688-3390 800-688-3370 800-686-0884 800-685-4343 800-677-0744 800-676-5597 800-676-5579 800-666-8866 800-641-9793 800-639-6914 800-621-6986 800-597-4549 800-590-0590 800-552-5239 800-550-9619 800-547-4549 800-520-3595 800-511-8676 800-511-8670 800-510-6133 800-503-4713 800-496-5048 800-488-3213 800-477-1827 800-448-9576 800-448-9575 800-448-9570 800-445-4918 800-440-0346 800-433-3243 800-432-3988 800-413-0134 800-401-7073 800-400-9488 800-394-3194 800-393-4761 800-383-4761 800-381-5483 800-379-5290 800-379-5209 800-373-6625 800-359-6669 800-350-2457 800-334-0626 800-322-2680 800-322-2608 800-305-1995 800-303-1995 800-303-1410 800-303-1043 800-295-6724 800-280-3377 800-275-8105 800-275-5196 800-273-6816 800-273-5152 800-260-5570 800-258-6520 800-240-0381 800-233-1486 800-227-4000 800-221-8887 800-221-6850 800-220-2800 800-220-2274 800-220-1942 800-219-6304 800-216-5205 787-625-0831 773-668-1624 773-668-1623 773-668-1622 770-874-6800 770-300-2500 733-668-1622 724-209-6611 718-684-9410 716-636-1588 716-564-4905 704-817-0541 704-523-8444 615-349-9436 614-827-7500 614-791-4535 612-256-9958 609-783-1454 602-263-1141 602-000-0000 518-282-4396 513-201-6304 513-201-6303 513-201-6302 443-263-3019 416-932-4508 416-932-4500 410-986-0085 410-418-5377 408-538-5102 408-538-5101 404-549-4434 401-285-2126 323-372-6326 310-862-9031 253-248-6406 253-248-6405 248-220-8704 223-051-6400 223-051-6100 215-675-1573 215-442-8316 215-442-8315 215-442-8300 215-441-3000 215-441-2100 215-436-8621 215-436-8620 215-436-8619 215-111-1111 202-697-2932 202-607-2932

Over a year and a half ago I used my credit card to buy some skype calling credit for my Brazilian girlfriend.  I clicked on the 1 time only setup and even forced the system to ask for a password for my credit card.  A year after this supposedly one time only payment my now exgirlfriend started using skype alot and ended up that skype charged the calls to this same credit card. 

Skype is a slippery company that can not be trusted.  Under no circumstances trust them with any information that can be used to automatically bill you.