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Just happened in India do you think they will be eliminating the 50 and 100 USD bills in the US if so what are the signs to look for prior to that occurrence what was India and now Turkey or what was India about and now Turkey telling its citizens to buy gold or its national currency well the hints for removing the big dollar denominations by the way I have had in my hot little hands two different 1000 dollar bills hmm that was back when I was doing how shall I say some contraband activity and commerce after college before graduate school I put it all away I went to graduate school and started working real real hard and as for the big denomination bills the fifty and a hundred I'm always surprised if I do it withdrawal from a bank and I say look I need a thousand dollars to pull out and they sometimes say to me grande espagueti large bills and I say yeah si si por favor or sometimes I say no no but shift at the event this again 20 USD bill is fun but they sometimes say to me are how about 50s cincuenta Singh Quintus and I said yeah yeah fine so they end up giving me say 800 USD and hundreds and for 50 USD bills that's 1,000 USD withdrawal okay there aren't many 50s out there and it's it's grant Ulysses Grant on the 50s for the Benjamins is it true is it I'm sorry is it true that his middle name is ass the letter s ulysses s grant and that he doesn't actually have a full middle name I don't know we'll leave that for the listeners in their Google content I think it's true but I don't know I don't care smelly no ha no I only know I only know one person who had an initial for a middle name it was my buddy brother Bob Friedman and digital days Robert s Friedman was that stand for Bob nothing not even a period after Jim look closely hahaha Geryon means it's an abbreviation oh I get it okay very good point okay here's the hint I you're out of the u.s. you go to a bank you do it withdrawal and they say I don't have any hundreds why don't have any hundreds so we haven't had any hundreds for a while now god there's your hands gotcha okay now there are many parts to that question India okay here's what I'm hearing about India and this is very complex and very difficult to confirm every aspect aspect but Emily in India is suffering from a couple of problems what is a big counterfeit problem if you're going to go to the bother of counterfeiting dollars are you going to focus on ones and fives or are you going to focus on hundreds obviously the hundreds no well the answer to that is a compromised because the most popular counterfeited bill is the twenty that's what Iran counterfeits that's what North Korea counterfeit is a twenty US dollar bill the twenty dollar u.s. bill yes okay because the hundred is more scrutinized and I notice in the bank if I do a deposit and I give them hundreds they spend a few seconds on each bill if I give them twenty s they just kind of count them yeah they might they might rub their thumb over a little you know what it called a raised imprint I wouldn't know I can't remember that isn't there's a name for it yes the watermarks or whatever no not that what a mark the wrists well they look for watermarks on the Costa Rican currency they look they look for the raised engraving that's it Oh gracious engraving the thumb goes over the lower left corner the thumb grazes the corner and looks and feels that seal that's raised okay that's but they don't do it that much on the 20s okay now here's what's going on in India they're counterfeiting a lot of money and it's the big bills so that's why they eliminated the big bills it wasn't a make like difficult there was a cut the legs out from under the counterfeiters gotcha okay that's really important the so I haven't followed this this this Indian situation much I know that it you know they eliminated larger bills it appeared as though there was a run on the banks or a run on cash yet people lined up so I assume they were lining up with their 50s and their hundreds hoping to exchange them before they were going to be deemed what contraband I mean how does that work didn't do well your hundreds still I mean it's still money is it not or is it I guess it's not if it's not received if you can't take it to a bank I mean if it's purely a black-market bill well it just depends on the rules we don't make the rules the second part to this Indian deal if the Pakistanis are moving in a lot of weapons for terrorist type events blowing up things marketplaces temples you name it and there's a mix of the two issues Pakistanis are involved in some of the counterfeit to buy some of the weapons that is not exclusive factors or other things involved or sure but anybody both of in hopes of stopping the the terror or impeding it I guess yes so the the Indians are not going to give you full win that our motives are to stop some of the counterfeit done by a lot of Pakistanis involved in terrorism know no state talks like that no state wants to discuss in an open forum the the counterfeiting issues they just don't do that well it erodes erode faith in their their Fiat system you know it's a video that's so that's what is that the the cardinal rule to a Fiat system is you got to have that that implied trust yeah well you know we don't know much in the United States about the Pakistani versus Indian conflicts we heard a lot about it 20 years ago thirty years ago but not in recent years it has not gone away they don't share the same religion its Moslem versus Hindu we don't we don't get into stuff like that we don't we'll worry about that so you know I don't have all the answers but I do I do believe there's another gold angle to India [Music] this is hypothesis this is conjecture this is floating up something that needs to be analyzed more fully but if you're going to be a good analyst you need to you need to put something on the table you're not sure of some time and look at it closely and look at some of the consequences and ramifications India might be a test case for seizing gold they're already seizing it in some temples the smaller ones I think I reason it's the ones without a lot of power a lot without a lot of poll without a lot of influence so they're you know they're trying it out there between 15,000 and 20,000 tons of gold in India in private stashes for homes now if this jewelry and bullion combined or just bullion I think it's combined but there might be it might just be a little to ounce five ounce bars a half kilogram bar you know a little bar without dealing bars in the West yeah the East does well and in the in the governmental control and regulation of gold we see countries go to jewelry and India is a huge example of that I mean they and if you know you can wear your wealth you take it with you nobody steals it when you're at home that's you know sort of the age-old process there but I mean jewel India obviously gold jewelry is is a huge I mean you see some of these weddings and good Lord the bride has you know quarter-million dollars of gold on her on her body well there's some time to walk around with three four or five kilograms or go on their bodies at the wedding yeah okay but the big deal though right now is that India is trying and not having a lot of success to monetize their household gold because they're having problems with their currency what better way to to reinforce a currency than with actual physical assets such as gold so they're offering they're offering people you're bringing your goal like I bring in a kilogram of gold and take a big big certificate of deposit that earn some interest because right now Raj your bar is not earning any interest you're not getting any income to bring it into the banking system and earn some income of it I think India is a test case and the voice has said emphatically in the last month India is committing suicide Modi will be gone before long the backfire is coming the response is on its way that's pretty sharp yeah I think the experiment is going to fail okay if they wanted to do gold confiscation in the United States why not try it in India first why not make sense let's see how it goes the very big population I once put a 1.3 billion people and they've got fifteen to twenty thousand tons of gold the trial run and this in India has long been used in these you know in these trial runs I want to take things a little different angle if you're okay with it and I'd like to bring we've got two questions that fall into our wearing neck did they go our friend byxis Road to route a theory one from VIX himself and another from Bruce in Florida so go for it go for it let's start with dicks do you believe that Alan Greenspan secretly wanted to return to a gold standard and was intentionally trying to destroy the Fiat monetary system by keeping interest rates too low for too long and by removing any regulations on derivatives so bad wouldn't give good I wouldn't get brain spam any credit at all I think the guy had an entire banking career that went counter to his entire belief structure in graduate school and I like to point out he never earned a doctorate in economics he got an honorary Doctor so I earned my doctorate Greenspan did not he was given it at a dinner okay a feel-good dinner okay Greenspan I believe had a bigger motive let's make sure that all my buddies and all of my handlers and bosses can print themselves billion-dollar wealth some of it might trickle down to me in the form of speaker fees and book income from publishers I don't give Greenspan any credit at all he had a desperate plea in 2001 that people in the United States borrow against their home equity and go out and continue this economy because he was deathly scared that the recession that was due in the year 2000 and 2001 following the tech telecom bust he was deathly afraid that the recession would cause a US government debt default and picking system collapse because he he helped to create the derivatives the derivatives were created in the early 1990s and I believe that was part of Greenspan's watch yes it was and here's here's roughly what happened this is a strange sequence and a unique perspective that you don't read about very much in in 1984 we started X learning our industrial base the first one was Intel we got all Cummins of manufacturing going to pick rep okay my impression at the time and I was working at digital looking out the window with a couple friends of mine saying this doesn't look good the u.s. is going to give up its ship manufacturing the Pacific Rim of Asia this is not good this is legitimate income and I was told and I read in Barron's and I read in Wall Street Journal cuz we read it every day I read portions of Wall Street Journal almost every day you know maybe just a few paragraphs but sometimes an entire page depending on the workload but what we were told was oh don't worry the United States will retain intellectual property ownership the patents and the US will retain all the distribution rights and I said yeah but distributing something that we don't make can never be really really prosperous and and we were told oh it's a low-cost solution we're going to lower the cost and and the American consumers will have more money in their pockets and that's when I got introduced to putting cash in people's pockets for consumption and I said but isn't it better to start a business than to go out and buy a boat that's when I began getting smart knowledge the late 80s okay something happened about three or four days later it would Black Monday of 87 we don't think of Black Monday as being a consequence of offshoring outsourcing our industry to Asia it's directly related okay then something happened we decided to create the irrational exuberance again it was Greenspan making money easy and he got criticized wait a minute it didn't take long for the Dow to go from 3,000 to 4,000 and then even less time to go from 4 to 5,000 what's going on is this good they said well I just look at it as a you know basically irrational exuberance ok so he was he loved to use the up to skating verbage to conceal the fact that he was guilty and I never bought his arguments ever when irrational exuberance came in I thought they're just pumping up the stock market with easy money and it's finding its way to the markets they're making it available all over the place look at all these 0% loans you see with with you know at the street level for the people and I took advantage of a few of them okay so what followed that tech telecom bust mm what followed that the subprime mortgage bust that would follow that QE and 0% bubble after bubble after bubble we're on a sequence of bubbles and they all began with greenspan mm-hmm now you got to look at the origin and people say what's in it the problem is not Black Monday and exporting industry and 84 you got to look earlier than that I say well of course you can look back to 71 when we got off the gold standard and I think yeah yeah you can look even earlier go to 60 63 when they killed Kennedy yeah okay we'll find you can always oh yeah you can always go back to 1913 when they created the Fed all right well fine you can always trace back you can go back to the birth dates and locations of the Fed owners I don't care to do that exercise I look at the sequence of bubbles yeah and how we've never really endured a recession that we've admitted since the Clinton administration right everything has been papered over and now it's it's I mean look at this look at the metrics now and the mother of bubbles of all bubbles well those that believe in a VIX that believe this is that Alan Greenspan did this by design you know being a Gold Bug formerly under Reagan and that that that he saw where this was going and with the birth of financial computing intentionally did this by design so that the bankers would give themselves more than enough rope to hang themselves and then we would go back to a gold standard which ties into the second question in Bruce from Florida does the USA have tons of gold in above-ground storage to back a new gold based dollar does the USA indeed have deep stored gold in ground in chocolate Mountain California do huge in ground gold exist in the Grand Canyon Arizona first reported in the New York Times in 1912 and then never again what are your thoughts there on massive hidden secret gold reserves within the US to transition to a gold back note after this chaos is over bullshit one worry really things you really think the US elite after stealing the gold are going to make it available to prevent a crisis that they want to cause so your so your yeah your answer is if we're going there I wouldn't they have sold stolen it already now they already stole they're not going to make it available they stole it if you steal something are you going to make it available to your host know you used it why'd you steal it because you needed it you wanted it you can give it back no one gives it back from the elite no one ever gives it back the only thing I can conceive of is the Bush family and the Rockefellers are going to come forward and say we can help finance the gold for a gold back dollar but we want the following three things we want to be able to control the important cabinet positions we want to assure that there will always be a war and we want you never to prosecute anybody in our organization and as possible but are there giant hoards just lying around waiting to help and save the nation no these people are trying to destroy the nation they want the chaos where the Empire of chaos and the length folks are the orchestrators of destabilization do you think they're going to bring in the goal to stop the destabilization you got to think this through that's not what they're about they're about chaos murder power control destabilization and they love killing people I think they want martial law so they can kill a lot of people on the streets and try out some nifty new weapons one of the motors for the Vietnam War was to try out a lot of nifty new weapons like Agent Orange I'll never forget the story of General Elmo Zumwalt whose son died of cancer from Agent Orange because he was exposed to it as a grunt troop grunt soldier this is this is a nasty business don't ever assume the elite have good intentions well I think the assumption is certainly not bad I think that in this in this argument is that these gold hoards would be would exist and be controlled by you know the forces of good that that are there that may be trying to take this cabal down but again to your point if the if those gold hoards were there the Cabal who is I mean quite obviously in control of just about everything they're still spraying out of airplanes and poisoning us all they probably would have would have taken the gold they're certainly not going to put up their own stolen gold and I don't think the arguers of this theory are suggesting that I think it's something you know even deeper but let me give you a little side story about Bush gold okay a bush is a big thief of gold I believe the bushes owned the the Libyan gold is 144 tons that's never never in the news Qaddafi was not a bad guy right he just got in our way if you look at the history of Arabs history of Arab leaders and look at their accomplishments like for building water systems building schools increasing educational level at promoting small business Qaddafi is probably the top of the list yeah that's what I've heard but then again if you look to see who's most vilified its Qaddafi because he wanted to Institute the gold dinar okay there's a lot okay but here's the little I'd story about the bush gold but the voice told me this story back in 2014 I remember the date this is kind of funny I mentioned from time to time I remember what window I was looking out from my office when having the conversation with the voice I was in a certain building and I was at that floor that building 2014 so that's how I date some things it's kind of fun it's curious how that how memories work oh I was living with Delores next door when I was six okay you remember things that way points of reference he told me 2014 at them that there are seven major global gold vaults major major gold vault and and the Bush's use a couple and he said Jim we're having all remember back then 2014 the big issue was rehypothecation mm-hmm the gold the Germans were asking for their gold back that the Dutch and the Austrians are looking for theirs too why aren't they getting their goal where's the gold where's the goal what happened when a German parliamentary group went to the New York Fed they were told to eff off get out of here now we can't go see York all those MF Global time to other than another another gold gold heist yeah but in 2014 the voice told me Jim we got I got an interesting rehypothecation story to tell you apparently the bushes with their stolen gold and believe me when I say they've got the lion's share of Fort Knox stolen now you could say stolen you could say to zero percent gold carry trade you know the zero percent wise why did Reuben put zero percent on gold leasing so they could lease it and Rob it and use it as their profit and take it you know take their profit from the gold from from the Treasury bond futures trading you know they drove down the interest interest rates from 11 and 12 percent down to 6 and 5 huge huge profits they took their profit Ingold after leasing it 4-0 okay so the bushes had their gold regardless of where it all came from I don't care about the erosion sometime hmm whether it's Libya or Fort Knox doesn't matter to me the bushes owned a tremendous amount of gold and apparently large amount it was rehypothecation from some of these in particular two gold vaults and the gold vaults decided well we need to get some gold available because we've got some Hong Kong and Chinese buyers and we don't have enough so let's read hypothecated whole batch over here and later they determined oh my gosh it's Bush family gold the vaults themselves did this I mean who who really hated the gold and are they deaf and I love the vaults owners or the closet bolts and the markets to charge of the contract and did they rob the bushes unbeknownst to themselves I mean debate unknowingly okay yes they've determined later oh my god we reaiiy complicated Bush gold I hope we don't all get killed Wow but there's more to this elite gold I mean we talk about the elite doing things intentionally because they can then rescue the day and be heroes a lot of this gold has been used it's not just gold but narcotics they've been used and in a very big expense is two things and I know this gonna sound a little woowoo but I don't care what I've usually find is that if you let six or 18 months pass you'll see that I'm on the right track and 18 months ago might have been Satanists now that's in the news but here's what they bought the elite have been very busy in the last several years building underground cities and if you think that Virginia earthquake that occurred in late 2011 was really an earthquake then you're a dumb shit that was a collapse Virginia underground city and your hint was that the tide water tide baseball team had to suspend their game for 30 minutes because they had a constant 50 mile an hour wind in one direction wow that is not a consequence of an earthquake holy cow that's a consequence of of what an explosion or of an implosion of air leaving a cave and hit yes air leaving a cave-in causing a very severe backdraft holy cow there was another underground city detonated and it was north of New York City and just a few months ago and these would be detonated if these were built by the elites and we're hoping that these are good forces blowing these up these are white hat maybe yeah I keep hearing that it's the white dragon' white hats mm-hmm the white dragons are doing a lot of cleanup and the voice had a name for that two years ago he said there's a group that's called the gardener's they're at least 200 strong and they're going to be very busy just cleaning up cleaning up eliminating mid-level rothschild Bush and Rockefeller players man I mean how can I not hear about in the news well yeah I got to reach New York Times oh my god not 3 Rothschild who didn't have the name of Rothschild we're all dead right with car accident sir they jumped out of a window oh where do I find this data though because I want to celebrate it and pop a bottle of freakin champagne every time I mean I like gives me a hard time look you shouldn't wish you no harm on people when I say you know why do we not have some outcome Soros hasn't just been sniped I mean you know in something like that you know but I don't know I wrong but we might get some good news soon when Bill Clinton dies of AIDS mm-hmm here is Harry's in the hospital now as you mention the micro but in his body I think it was earlier well you know when you do so many underage kids and middle aged kids and you rape them when you do so many I mean I think it puts to shame Magic Johnson and his 2,000 figure oh gosh this stuff just its effects on a stomach curl and yeah I saw a picture of him recently Jim and he with Miss whole spirit cooking stuff came out somebody circled a picture of him and the caption was Oh bill before he has his you know his his spirit beverage to uplift him in the morning he looked Duty look demonic I mean he looked like he was on a deathbed and it looks bad he looks really rough yeah well I hear he's got very poor control motor control of all his lower mouth jaw muscles like he drools he's licking his lips I mean I had a neighbor when I the neighbor when I was a teenager and he was always licking his chops and will you say come on look at that mr. MacIntyre he's just he's licking his lips all day long I mean we make fun of him that's Bill Clinton now and I'm hearing he's in the hospital can't confirm anything but I've been told not just by Ben Fulford their greeting been through but I don't have any relationship with them I've been told by at least five different sources I don't want to name them that bill is dying and here's my theory once he goes they're going to shut down the Clinton Foundation and you're going to see Hillary dead and they're going to try to create a flashpoint to shut this down on the exposure to elite powerful people because they don't want the exposure and they can do something about it they can make sure Hillary stops breathing so these are still leaders still bad guys that don't want to be exposed that are close to the Clinton Foundation that are snuffing out the the clintons and we've got even a couple of questions that came up from folks I think Mike Herzog brought it up to this effect but it does not mean if they're going to clean up the evil and we're going to be left with good no they're going to clean up certain elements of evil and we're going to be left with different elements of evil new evil yeah this new younger healthier evil it's not screwing up their their agenda right maybe that can coexist better with modern society and allow it to thrive without being incredible parasites but look look at this way this is a much simpler perspective if the Western elite have forced upon them the gold standard all their work all their lives all their wealth all their power changes I don't say is eliminated I say changes lose the voice is adamant he said you're going to see the wealthy the elite lose well over half their wealth and they're going to have to adapt to the new standard of gold and now Jim let me if I can interject I would assume a lot of these Rothschilds these assholes have plenty of gold but the percentage of it in their current net worth in this fictional digital paradigm is very small in other words their their equity in you know in finance and and all these companies and all these digital blips and debt and all this crap is much much greater than than their gold hoarding even if it were to go up fivefold under a new cabinet but let me just give you some figures and I'm gonna have to call this quits I got something coming up here soon yeah let me just recite some figures Fort Knox was worth about half a trillion dollars yeah that's that's 8,000 tons or more okay so 10,000 tons roughly just his rough figures rough figures it is worth maybe 2,000 I'm sorry two-thirds of a trillion okay okay that's a lot of money the bushes five years ago were worth five trillion just from their narcotics I mean you know people just don't do this kind of math had 30 years of narcotics since Vietnam 40 in fact they've had over ten years of just Afghanistan where the US government covers their costs and they sell 800 billion to 1.2 trillion dollars worth of heroin in the distributed distributed networks of heroin across the world through the NATO base much of which right back to our streets here in the US and I personally and how many of us especially in the last decade have had this strike close to home I have a cousin who died at the age of 24 25 from this from this crap a year ago two years ago you know I have a cousin who had a near suicide event over heroin methadone mm-hmm not because I'm sorry next nice nice I don't want to get it details but nice so when I hear over and over again putting from some clients is a the street cost of heroin nowadays is 10 times less then in the late nights and the availability can you imagine I mean I you know when I was 15 16 17 year old punk kid just trying to trying to get you know I can't imagine if that crap was around I mean she unbelievable yeah well okay we can thank the bushes for this and they might try they might try to retain power by providing gold but I think it's largely spent and when they talk about deep storage gold now I'm hearing over and over again pardon me that the Grand Canyon is part of the deep storage gold and every once in a while they'll extend the Grand Canyon borders so it's under Park Service control right has have been another discovery very near the canyon so they extend the borders for what cannot be mine and what is retained as deep storage gold and this is all on on mind you know vein right gold either not bar I stored in an underground vault right I think China is eventually going to go into production on the per three interesting yeah very interesting hmm Wow well buddy I know you got something upcoming it's been fantastic as always our friends our listeners thank you for the question these were fantastic it actually caused Jim and I to not have to do as much preliminary with preliminary work we just winged it today so hope you guys enjoyed it Jim man it's always a pleasure if you got anything else to add of course you will have links to your website golden jackass comm and you guys did you're not familiar with Jim's work it's prescient it's fantastic I mean his his forecasts going back how many years now Jim a decade and a half well 12 and a half years 12 and a half years in his forecast anyway what are you at now 19 for 22 or something he's I a lot now it's a lot more than that it's more like about 30 quick forecast in a couple wrong ones but as the voice likes to say it's not a wrong forecast just haven't happened yet taking time exactly yep it's just young well like like the coming of the Nordic gold back euro the Germans Dutch and Austrians with maybe a Scandinavian country in there like who knows coming out with a new euro to cut off the south okay so far it looks like a wrong forecast I think it's coming slowly into view the Germans are not going to let Italy take down the southern European nations cause a sovereign debt default and and just Germany just says well okay well bad things happen now they're going to cut them off create a new currency and do the best they can to isolate them and create a firewall and all the Nordics will fall this game maybe they'll all follow yeah and Italy will come up with a new lyric currency that's not gold backed and five years from now losing 90 percent of its value Germany doesn't want to be anywhere near that and the irony is that if Italy does that their cars are going to compete very well versus the German cars that's the nature of a devaluation for a currency if suddenly the the Italian Fiat what other car they I don't care about Lamborghinis and Maseratis they've got the Fiat they've got they get a couple little cars in addition to the Fiat okay they're going to be cheaper so people are going to consider the best Fiat car for a purchase no pun intended on the name there either well III don't know the meaning in Italian of Fiats a little different I don't know the origin it could be an acronym FIA t I don't know I don't know we can leave that to our Google friends oh let's someone email it to me yeah that's always rich I get a lot of very nice generous thoughts and shared information from email from my contact us and I I'm always grateful to people for that because yeah it's helpful it's evident I mean this is the first time we've opened up the interview for for quest for questions you know we sent out an email last week and I've gotten I don't know 50 plus I mean but but a Jimmy I have four pages of them here in front of us and and they're all really good so yeah I mean it's everybody out there in their own walk of life in their own industry and their own profession sees stuff and sharing that you know your your switchboard has been proof of that you know you being able to put together all those little little stories here and there that that that tell the bigger picture on whatever it is we're trying to we're trying to talk about but then it's always I'm always grateful for other information where the nicest compliments pardon me when the nicest compliments I ever got in my professional life which which spanned 23 years only in industry was Jim we really appreciate when you don't know something you let us know rather than fake it we don't get into a bigger problem because of an error moving in the direction of a fake you always get back to us you always seem to come up with the answer even if it means going to a higher power oh my gosh own time I I appeal to an ex digital colleague of mine when I was at Staples and he gave me the crate off iteration toward how do I make forecasts at the product level that match up perfectly with the forecasts at the store level breaking it down deeper level a forecast that matched everything on a higher level that was a crate off Federation I didn't know how to do it I said look Alan I I don't know I'm give me give me a few days to research this give me you make some time before I love the compliment that I was an honest broker of statistical analysis yeah that's a good that's a great nomenclature for you I tried to do the same thing with with this gold and currency world and banking and economies if I don't know something I'll say I don't know I'm going to look into it more and one of the things that I'm really grateful for regarding my team I didn't know much about bank derivatives and I I did a little trade with Rob Kirby I helped him with one particular thing and he helped me to understand bank derivatives so now I know a little bit more about Bank Yoda's I went back to him last December saying please help me to understand the reverse repo it I actually had it backwards when he helped me understand the reverse tree I had repo I was calling repo reverse repo no repo is repurchase they were doing reverse repurchase energy synergy my good man synergy well teamwork yes energy teamwork yes and you know I'm a big proponent of gray's the psychologist Grey's emotional IQ that whole theory that you're not as successful as your intelligence you're a successful as the group that you can draw intelligence from and use so I built and if this is my credit I built a team of about nine guys it's the Jackass staff of colleagues they're smart as hell every one of them's got a niche we're an eclectic bunch for most of the American but they're a couple Europeans and another welter for you two or three Europeans but I try to build a team and time to say I don't know I don't know I'm gonna throw something out I need to understand this better I don't say hey look I should know this let me fake it no let me throw this out let's see what see what you guys can improve upon I'll give you credit and Yura Rogers the funniest one he said Jim take it as your own I said why and he said I don't want all the attention you take a how long you don't want the flak in case is a problem for being right in a very dangerous area and he said yeah kind of like that but I don't I don't mind the danger I know what areas to stay away from for the danger they're mostly details for say Isis and narcotics through the banking and the secondary channels those are the most dangerous areas that's what gets you killed and it appears lately that the inner channels of the Clinton Foundation that would get you killed so I don't know anything about them I don't want to know anything about them and whenever any like anything like that is offered to me I'm not interested thanks yeah yeah my life I'd like to end with this statement from this was an article that Brandon Smith I'll put it up wrote on all markets and it's fantastic he ends it with this recognize and take solace that though we live in dark times and evil men roam free we are also here we are the proper response to evil and we have been placed here at this time for a reason call it fate call it destiny call it coincidence call it God call it whatever you want but the answer to evil is us and with that he's of course referring to the alternative media and and I would I mean you know he's that statement speaks very true to you Jim and what you do and not to not to you know blow your whistle anymore to your horn but man we really do appreciate you and and all the work that you and your team does and all this information that you guys put out there so and I am I am grateful and thankful that I can be a microphone you know to help you get the message out to to our friends as well so god bless your brother keep it up well I do a lot of work well I admit that but I'd give a lot of credit to a few different groups my colleagues for chewing things properly in the analysis coming up with the right conclusions it's very difficult to fool 9 smart guys and just keep that in mind that's very hard to do know one or two of us might get fooled and we're brought in line by someone like the voice so you're a–you're arise is a very brilliant guy London Paul is a very brilliant guy Rob Kerby very brilliant guy the rest of us we're at a lower level we admit it we're not we're not highest on intellectual types with huge connections and experience like 20 years out there some of us have experience but but you know and ground levels where we can see crime my god I come George of the jungle George of the comics he he saw a lot in in Chicago with both metals physical logistics and paper logistic like bonds currencies futures like that but though there's another group that I'm very grateful to and it's the newshounds that there's seven of them in particular I got them on the wall and I sometimes you're back with them something that come from my group of colleagues I share with that second level group but then there's a third group that's very large it's somewhere between 30 and 50 people who send me things Jim you might find this interesting and often it's a story and what do you make of this part of the story I'm curious what you might have for a quick thought and then it ends up in the rapport with a lot more thought and then they read about something that they introduced to my desk oh I have a little joke they say what sort of research tools do you use and I say I open my inbox I'm doing right oh isn't it amazing I mean that that piece of technology right there I open my inbox well and and it's more than that it's organization into folders because I might finish report and have ten days where I'm not working quite as hard or I'm doing an interview and I'm really not analyzing what's going on in India but I put it into my certain special folder and I look at it later I just look at that folder later and I've got a hundred messages over a seven-day period and that's research for the next report it's what's going on I organize things I file things of course I got another file it's personal another file that's you know billing problems and interaction with clients and little arguments and weird stuff many routine things but occasionally weird we're done but though we got our emails and we got our organization of emails and it could be very valuable when it comes time to writing the report that's what I do I try to make things as efficient as possible give credit where it's due and in Euro Rogers case she says that take a credit for yourself how often are the reports coming out now this is the hat-trick letter well this uh there pair of reports every month and sometimes we're occasion if there's not a lot happening it's a single report but how often is there not a lot happening last time I sat down with one of your full reports it was I don't know fifty pages and I had to go you know sit outside in the shed and close myself off with a cup of coffee away from the kids and you know it's been half a day it's it's kind unbelievable amount of work that goes into one of these yeah it's very very deep so on these interviews and on your other you know public articles that you write you're scratching the surface really correct with what you're going into on the on these reports yeah well there's another level of detail beyond what's in our interviews to the content you can't get in too much say for the the Indian story or like the Iran sanctions story or the UBS gold thefts you need a lot of you need a couple pages to draw out a story with a lot of logical connections and tying things together I can tie things together a high level here that's that's not all that hard it's often a lot of fun I and I enjoy the heck out of these interviews has the December report come out yet no no I'm working on it now it's partly done well with it much it might actually it might actually be just one report because post-election we're still locked into the political nonsense yes there's not a great deal of financial economic activity and and you know new things happening there's not I mean we're arguing over whether Trump really should attune the tune that the face is off all those press executives we're learning about all the implications of Trump's family we're learning implications of Trump not going to the press but instead using Twitter should Twitter really be used for national issues and reporting them but yeah if the CNN is full of liars well and should Twitter even be used now that we're talking about censorship I mean we're witnessing active censorship already take place with the pizza gave them in their chain the Google Twitter they're all doing I mean just this call is probably being picked up because I just said that keyword well you're on it so of course it's been picked up since the beginning but I never worried about that I just have to talk about terrorism details and narcotics details you stay away from those two you're probably in good shape that's right but I'm also I'm not I'm not also asking people to you know contact me so you can set up all these hidden accounts around the world no I'm not involved in all that right right I'm involved in the economics finance and banking and and those are clean topics yep except when you you know have to talk about spirit cooking and all these other things that we did as well but that's the world we live in today I'm gonna I'm gonna offer them a little bit of breast milk from my left mammary and they do as they wish from it Oh fantastic I

What can you do John I mean do you release it also they have no reason to kill you or then do they want to revenge killing because of it or do you say look I've already tried to report this the government doesn't care I'm dropping it I've destroyed it all you'll never hear from me again they're not going to believe that last statement that I know you'll never hear from me again and and they will they will get back at me just from for revenge here's here's my strategy i'm i am trying to dance on a tightrope the i think the best thing I can do is to release just enough information to make the the public and the government aware of what's happening number two there are one or two people who really do need to be arrested all right I intend fully to release everything about those individuals others perhaps the more powerful people then the government I have retained a lawyer who is going to to already has taken charge of the evidence all of the evidence of 17,000 hours of recordings and documents and what have you and have given the the same evidence to a number of other people the lawyer is in the process of writing a letter to the bleedin government saying if i do not hear from mr. McAfee at by 2 p.m. every day with a password he has instructed me to release this full documentation to the press which implicates every single person within the Belizean government now I believe that that there they have enough common sense that they will let the few people that really need to be arrested the ones that you know I think did the the most crimes against me to let that happen and I will just keep quiet for the rest of my life and as long as nothing happens to me nothing will happen to them but believe me the information that I have will bring down the entire Elysion government they know this and this is why they are so desperate to silence me it's too late to silence me the evidence is in the hands of other people now just like I told the D see madam you have not told me any of what that evidence is you just told me about one of the attempts I guess you were like a week after it is right no no I have I have full evidence on those things which I've given to John what happened was first of all the first clue and I should have occurred to me at the time was there was a report of my death ok John McAfee died of a drug overdose so I got a call at eight o'clock in morning from a friends and they were in tears and I go what and he went it just went all over the net it was weird I put out a tweet saying not true in fact you know I woke up feeling fine or i went to bed feeling fine rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated really saturated within within 12 hours my security guards get arrested mysteriously 12 hours later at 2 15 in the morning on the twelfth of September in I was up because I was anticipating I again I have contacts still within the government I was anticipating I didn't know the exact date but I knew it was coming soon I was up and watching it to 15 to police motorcycles then this is at night where the where police do not really use their motorcycles after dark to police motorcycles followed by a sedan full of plainclothes people followed by a garbage truck the compressor for the compressing variety they're going to put you in that maybe I have no clue but they pulled up right in front of my condo and there is no back exit there is only one exit and that is through the front I ran and I grabbed my wife we ran downstairs to the garage I wanted to hide in the trash bins the big the big thing is thinking maybe we'd be safe my wife refused so we climbed it's we have in the condo with a base stacking a car stacking elevator where you drive your car in it puts it on the second floor and then you drive others ends up and down we climbed up on the second floor kid under a car both of us together for five hours we were not under there for for a minute before we heard the running up and down the stairs and excited voices and then they came into the into the garage but very stealthily they they looked into the the the garbage room you know I'm rumored to be armed and dangerous and I think they didn't want to just open the thing they were talking we could hear them talking and they were there for about an hour before the garage truck came in the garage I mean the garbage the guy shock came into the garage they rolled the bins that lifted up dumped it compressed it both bins and drove off we waited two hours till after everybody had gone we ran and got our things and we left we haven't been back why not lay in wait with a salt rifle and there might have been cops but they're coming to kill you we could even real cops okay that's what you told me right after that but you said could not have been cops with a warrant how did you know yeah that didn't but cops of the warrant there's a warrant yeah cops with a warrant do not try to compress you in a garbage truck and he don't show up at two fifteen in the morning and that garbage day either and it was not Carver today they didn't get everybody else's garbage they didn't get it near so it was not robbery saying and then I gotta say that does sound like how those hits work that's why you'd need two million is they wanted all official covered up right you hire the cops and the reason and the reason that was you know you can't get the cops to take part in a hit in every city I know you can in Houston I think you can in every city well well well they got cops that kill people in most big cities right they usually work for organized crime is saying not every city has the police chief being part of it all right why don't I please see if was part of this but but certainly the cops were part oh yeah it's we're legitimate cops on legitimate motor sure sure all right well you know the big thing most hit men are cops I mean a major said that is true yes what I'm saying I think it almost all cities you get you find this um but the general public doesn't I think I think the reason that the they put out a report that I was dead is so that everybody's gone oh my god Mac if he died they max it's no that's not true so if McAffee does disappear the next day no big deal I'm gonna come pay much attention no that's how they do it creates confusion phrase confusion and therefore people don't pay much mind to it because refi words us to disappear out of the clear blue sky people gonna talk it's the day before there was a there was a big article saying I had died and of a drug over there really smart I mean obviously you're smart guy I've been told by high-level army officers that when I that when I see these stories that I've been killed or disappeared that's when I've got to be careful because they'll do that right before they disappear me in fact you heard that oh yeah seriously I that family that worked in black ops I just I Santana and in the muscle end of things and they told me that no one told me I just figured it out really well no there's there's some verification Oh stefan review as much as you can believe me no no that's true that's true yeah all right I think a big thing is how did this all come together and one of the interesting coincidences that John is reported you can check this out the the country of Belize for the first time in that country's history traveled abroad to what city Portland where John McAfee is living to play soccer to play soccer in a soccer game and the team is like you know part time carpenters yeah there's not even a real team they lost to the US six to nothing they had no chance at all of the 61 and this is the first time now why would they come to Portland Oregon where I'm living get real and this was two months before the hit with the attempted hit classic double down as an investigation but call us a soccer game yeah I know where he lives now that's not you it's hardly people people go nah they didn't go to Portland check it on the internet they give at the end again that is speculation undoubtedly though them coming to your these people who came to your place that that is amazing yes absolutely and now you're an armored readout I am I am in a location where I can guarantee you no one is going to get closer to me so and I am I am angry I've stopped being afraid I'm not afraid anymore I am pissed off I am seriously yeah last time you were here you had a pretty serious guy what are you going around with you everywhere yeah well I've got a whole bunch of serious people around me now and and they are serious people and I'm serious myself I am I swear I am pissed off I just come for me that's the attitude I have I know that's nonsense and I know that's my attitude so hell that's the only attitude you got to have in life my friends Alex Jones here to tell you about some of the most important information concerning you and your family's health radiation levels have more than doubled in the last 60 years in the northern hemisphere from all of the nuclear testing and radiological accidents radioactive contamination is now in most of the food supply there's only two ways to avoid this move south of the Equator or properly protect your thyroid with nascent 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It would be pretty difficult to tell from a first reading of Deborah Jean Paul frees biographical details that she was destined to when they become the infamous DC madam she had a degree in criminal justice from Rollins College and even attended one year of law school at the Thomas Jefferson School of Law after which she worked as a paralegal in San Diego before becoming involved in the escort business unimpressed with the way the escort agencies were being run and perhaps infused with that American entrepreneurial spirit Deborah Jean Paul fre decided to start her own escort service and by 1990 she herself had been arrested for pimping pandering and extortion she was convicted in 1992 and spent 18 months in jail the internet being that wonderful depository of all information that could possibly be conceived of let alone asked for that it is you can now go online to The Smoking Gun and find the actual sentencing memorandum that Deborah Jane Palfrey filed in that case in the early 1990s in the San Diego Superior Court and as always I encourage and urge listeners to go to corporate report com to find the documentation list for today's episode where you can find all of the documentation backing up everything that is mentioned today in that sentencing memorandum you can find how Deborah jean-paul free promised the judge in the case that she would never start another escort agency I promise that she was very shortly to break shortly after her release she founded pamela martin and associates another escort service this one servicing the Washington DC area Brian Ross the investigative reporter for ABC News who we've encountered several times before in this podcast as one of the mouthpieces of the American intelligence networks and who you might want to go back to episode 18 of this podcast to find out more about reports on the workings of that escort agency good evening that healthcare this is the voice men heard wonderful young lady comes when they called the Washington escort service run by the woman now known as the DC man my charge of flat 275 for an hour and a half or you know welcome to perhaps book an appointment this evening how may I help you and then we would take it from there her name is Jean Paul free and over the course of 13 years she says she fielded thousands of calls from some of Washington's most prominent men men who entered ads for what was known as Pamela Martin and associates offering sophisticated college-educated attractive women I always defined it as the Ann Taylor look I wanted to make sure that they had that certain look that he could walk into the hay-adams for example and not being questioned it was as upscale as it could be and the business drop a four-season the Mayflower and your gals if you could walk in there and not be spotted by Hotel Sacher not at all model these are not chic women because there were very nice women who just needed to make a few extra dollars one was a professor at the University of Maryland there was a successful real estate agent even a lieutenant commander in the Navy sometimes when quality was unavailable a legal secretary at one of Washington's top law firms akin gump would handle the calls as well as go out on calls herself using her email account at Akin Gump the secretary told Palfrey why she wanted to be an escort a day a week would be fun and spa money but were these women proud of what they did for you I don't think they were ashamed you don't think so oh no 1991 is when I bought this cross the DC madam actually ran her business across the country from Washington another elegantly restored period home in Solano County California the calls from Washington are forwarded to an extension in her laundry room sometimes the washer and dryer are going and if it was to out I'd I'd leave and go into the other room awful right here often ratio it takes to run an escort service yeah you need a phone that's what you need names of customers and their preferences were shredded every night but Palfrey says she was doing nothing illegal because she was selling what she calls sexual fantasy legal sex and how do you define legal sex well illegal sex is prostitution which is either intercourse of any type or rural sex anything else is considered basically illegal and do you think your women went over the line I sure hope not I sure hope not well the slate face I'm saying that we're really I'm saying that with a straight face a savvy businesswoman with a year of law school Palfrey actually had her women sign a contract saying they would be terminated if they did anything illegal Brian Ross of ABC News and the establishment status quo media that is always happy to report on the current nature of scandalous stories especially when they involved titillating tidbits of information about possible sex scandals and as such it would really be of no greater consequence and certainly no consequence to the corporate reports but as you may have picked up in that report yes many of the clients were of course based in Washington DC where there just happened to be people of political consequence and that's where this story starts to pick up in October of 2006 the IRS after a two-year probe swooped down on Pamela Martin and associates a/k/a Deborah jean-paul free operating out in California and searched her home and froze nearly half a million dollars in assets once again the long arm of the law was finding its way into Deborah Jean Paul for his business but this time there was something entirely different at stake this time she was operating in Washington DC with some very well known clients of course the seizing of those assets in the searching of palfreys home set off a frenzy of headlines speculating about possible VC sex scandals looming on the horizon but one thing that the corporate establishment media was not keen to report on was the reason why the investigation of Pamela and associates took two years to complete why they decided to swoop in after she had already shut down the business and what was really at stake with the search and seizure of her home and assets so as usual it was left to the alternative media to begin exploring those issues and trying to ferret out the real reasons behind her prosecution and we turn now to an interview that the DC madam Debra Jean Paul fre conducted on the Alex Jones Show in 2007 well from what I gather and I'll try to compress it as much as I possibly can because it's a very convoluted and detailed story but from what I gather I was under investigation more or less and it could have been prior to this but more or less from March or so of 2004 until last October 4th of 2006 when there was a raid conducted on my home a search warrant executed upon my home now I'm going to use I'm using the word investigated or investigation rather loosely here it does not appear to have been an investigation into prostitution related services or activities since oh by the way prostitution is not a federal crime is left for the state states in the lower state courts I might say to to adjudicate however would appear a local a local vice issue it's a local vise issue absolutely what appears to have taken place however is some sort of a gathering of evidence on Deborah Jean Paul fre sort of ala J Edgar Hoover style personal information financial information and the like there does not appear to have been any sort of actual investigation from what I gather and I am 10 months into this now not go into a civil process now I'm into a criminal process well I'll tell you from from what I've seen in the past and just instinctively I've seen this before they may have been tracking what was going on with your business to use that without your knowledge for higher-ups actually blackmail people that's kind of my thinking or something as nefarious as that or something as nefarious as that absolutely exactly what we believe has occurred ah you don't see that in the media please continue no if you sure don't and you're and you're very on point with that with that observation why do they pull the trigger on October 4 last year I mean I could still be ongoing here except I did a couple of unusual things last year which I think whoever they are that we're watching me became very concerned last July I put my health of 1516 years on the market simultaneously within a few weeks early August of last year I closed my business the one in question Pamela Martin and associates which I had operated non-stop 13 years in some people's eyes it would have been perceived as an unexpected move so they thought maybe you were planning to kind of leave the Mafia and they don't ever let you leave you've kind of you know you know that's that's another very good observation you know as long as the status quo was ongoing because I was so reliable I was so dependable I ran such a nice service sort of in the style of the Mayflower madam from New York from back in the 1980s no drugs we paid our taxes every year believe it or not everything was just so nicely done and then I all of a sudden Quint yeah they got paranoid and then the wicked flee when none pursue us basically because they were paranoid now they triggered what they were worried about or perhaps they were trying to trigger a chain of events because they had assessed you to cause you to stand up and fight back against them because they had assessed you psychologically to run now in massive blackmailing operation stay with us we'll be right back with our guest so she had been under investigation since at least 2004 but nothing was done about it until October of 2006 two months after she closed down the business and as that interview draws out I think quite well her business was quite possibly being deliberately and consciously used as a honey trap for various politicians in order to conduct intelligence gathering for blackmail purposes and it would certainly not be the first or only time in American political history or indeed any political history in which that has been done in fact it's quite common or as in the case of Eliot Spitzer perhaps the escort agency and the DC madam was not involved in any way as she herself maintained as his Alex Jones suggested the intelligence agencies that have now been given carte blanche to listen in on your phone calls read your emails and basically spy on you in every and any possible way imaginable may have been doing so behind the scenes without Pamela Martin and Associates knowledge or consent in order to collect this type of information on various individuals but regardless as she herself indicates in the summer of 2006 she began to make some moves which obviously worried people who might have been in a position to have been personally exposed by an exposure of the information that she had been collecting for the last 13 years when she suddenly closed down the business and put her house for up for sale and obviously that could have sent the message that she was about to blow the whistle precipitating a civil and criminal response which was very soon used to try to exert a gag order on her we get that information also from The Smoking Gun comm which of course likes to cover all stories koreans and salacious feds seek to gag DC madame quote federal prosecutors want to gag and indicted former washington DC madame who has recently threatened to go public with details about her former customers in a motion filed Monday and US District Court investigators are seeking a protective order covering discovery material to be provided to Deborah Palfrey and her lawyers Paul 350 was indicted last week on racketeering and money laundering charges stemming from her operation of the Pamela Martin & Associates escort service which closed last summer after 13 years in business in their motion a copy of which you'll find hello and of course that's in the linked government lawyers claim that some discovery documents contain personal information about Paul frees former John's and prostitutes that is sensitive the prosecution filing does not detail the nature of this confidential information though the identity of Paul frees DC customers would surely be cloaked if the protective order was signed by Judge Gladys Kessler and quote well as you can imagine it's not so easy to gag someone who is determined to resist and who does have a lot of information that could implicate a lot of people in some very salacious scandals and so the DC madam Deborah Palfrey took it upon herself to go to the media with her phone lists nonetheless the decision ultimately was made to hand over the records for responsible media outlet in this case ABC News in New York without compensation and or promises or guarantees of any sort even though ABC News is under no obligation whatsoever to me I do expect their reporting to help identify potential witnesses for my defense for me this is an absolute necessity since the government has placed me in the untenable position whereby I do not have sufficient money to undertake this extraordinarily expensive task unlike Huntley I would ask the press and the media to put aside the titillation of a who's who's list at least in part and instead investigate the disturbing Genesis the confounding evolution and an equally alarming continuation of this matter I believe there is something very very rotten at the core of my circumstance and without money to hire my own investigators I must rely upon your acumen and talent here at the press in the media to uncover the truth so what precisely does relying on the acumen and the integrity of the professionals at 20/20 and ABC News actually get you well only this from the independent on Sunday 6th of May 2007 Network refuses to name clients of DC madam quote there was an almost audible sigh of relief in parts of America's capital this weekend after a TV network said it would not reveal the identities of scores of clients of the alleged DC madam because they were not well enough known to be newsworthy ABC News said that having plowed through 46 pounds of phone records it had discovered that among the clients of Deborah Paul fries alleged prostitution ring were senior business executives NASA officials and at least five military officers and among the women working for Miss Palfrey who ran the network in Washington DC from her home in California where an instructor at the u.s. Naval Academy and a legal secretary the prominent law firm the secretary was suspended after telling her bosses she worked for Miss Palfrey for spa money the only government official known to have been a client was Randall Tobias at the State Department he resigned after being confronted by ABC another client named was Harlan Ullman a columnist for The Washington Times and a senior advisor at the Center for Strategic and International Studies a Washington think tank end quote and so ABC News surprise surprise violates the trust that the DC madam put in them by giving them the phone list and refusing to publish the names of the people involved except for the ones that had already come out and admitted that they were clients of the service so no harm no foul no major falls from grace as a result of this information not being released by ABC News and everyone went along their merry way oh we except for the DC madam who of course was still undergoing prosecution and for one of the escorts who had worked for her someone by the name of brandy Britton and we can find out more about her from this obituary headline trial nearing alleged a girl found dead from the Washington Post January 30th 2007 quote she was a former college professor who had lost almost everything her stellar academic reputation her financial well-being and her anonymity in the swanky suburban neighborhood where she accused she was accused of working as a high-priced prostitute with brandy Britain's trial planned to start next week the former University of Maryland Baltimore County professor apparently took her own life over the weekend hanging herself in her living room Howard County police say a family member found the body Saturday afternoon police say they do not suspect foul play her trial date on four counts of prostitution which he had decided to fight in a jury trial instead of accepting a plea agreement was set for Monday police would get a chance to air their version of brandy Britain that in her $400,000 home at the end of a cul-de-sac where children ride razor scooters and moms Drive minivans with soccer decals Britain had been selling herself as a call girl in quote well we brandy Britain story is particularly interesting because she had decided to fight in a jury trial and she had suddenly ended up hanging herself according to the police before having a had a chance to properly defend herself well if that sounds suspect considering that she was working for this high-priced Washington DC coal girl outfit and was planning on defending herself presumably one would imagine by naming names and suddenly found hanging dead well let's take a look at the DC madam on April 15 2008 she was found guilty of money laundering using the mail for illegal purposes and racketeering she faked he faced a maximum of 55 years in prison for those offenses but was likely to get much less probably around five years in prison and her sentencing was due to take place later that year but two weeks after having been found guilty on May 1st 2008 Palfrey was found dead a woman believed to be the one convicted of running a high-end prostitution ring in Washington has been found dead in Florida apparently from suicide a body that police believe is Deborah Jean Paul fre was found in a shed near her mother's mobile home in Tarpon Springs Florida near Tampa police say there was a suicide note but are not releasing what it said offeree was convicted last month by a federal jury of running a prostitution service catering to Washington's political elite including Senator David Vitter of Louisiana all three denied the escort service engaged in prostitution she was convicted of several charges including money laundering all three faced a maximum of 55 years in prison she was free pending her sentencing in July we Powell The Associated Press Deborah jean-paul free the DC madam found dead this woman who had the inside knowledge on all of these people in the Washington DC area who had been using her alleged prostitution service and she was found dead well certainly there would be a detailed and very thorough investigation into exactly what happened and this sort of case would be very carefully followed in the media in a fair and objective manner right well yes she was found on the 1st of May 2008 and on the 1st of May 2008 Time magazine published this fair and balanced look at the details of deaths that had just happened hours ago BZ madame suicide before prison quote Deborah Jean Paul fre known as the DC Madame once implied that suicide was cowardice but in the end she seems to have chosen that same path herself she wasn't going to date jail she told me that very clearly she told me she would commit suicide author dan moldea told time soon after news broke of her body being found in Tarpon Springs Florida an apparent suicide Paul frees body along with a handwritten suicide note was discovered by police in a storage area attached to her mother's mobile home Palfrey contacting moldea last year to provide her help writing a book she had done time once before for prostitution moldea recalls and it damn near killed her she said there was enormous stress it made her sick she couldn't take it and she wasn't going to let that happen to her again when a former employee of Paul frees brandy Brittain hanged herself before going to trial Palfrey had told the press I guess I'm made of something that brandy Burton wasn't made of into quote very interesting so within hours of her body being discovered Time magazine with already running a piece about how her death was obviously a suicide because she had told apparently in an unrecorded and unknown conversation which only dan moldea ever had access to about her thoughts about committing suicide before going to prison something that he never thought to share with anyone between the time that she was actually convicted and at the time of her sentencing until she found was found dead in which case he was very eager to tell time as soon as possible about this supposedly remembered conversation and if we go to that online source of journalistic acumen and integrity that could only be matched by the unparalleled journalistic integrity of an organization like ABC News Wikipedia we can find from the entry on Deborah jean-paul free that very quote from obeah telling about the time that Palfrey apparently told him that she would commit suicide before going back to prison as the final word on the subject and if wikipedia deems it so then it must be so because certainly there could not be anything like say a recorded conversation from after that supposed 2007 conversation in which she unequivocally stated that she would not commit suicide right well look I mean she's already dropped the atomic bomb on him she's already released the numbers yeah I have and and I and and not to be concerned I have no intention of letting anyone buy me off or make any kind of a deal with me and you're not going to commit suicide and I'm not planning to commit suicide either you're so visible really protects you going on Larry King another big shows but you want to put it on record that you're not planning to commit suicide no I'm not planning to commit suicide I'm planning to go into court on April 7th if indeed we do have the trial and I plan on defending myself vigorously and I plan on exposing the government in ways that you know I do not think they want me to expose them I want them to explain to me in open court why they came after me well that would seem to be a pretty unequivocal statement and it would seem to be prima facie evidence that one would at least have to take very serious consideration of the fact that she was murdered and although large sections of the corporate establishment status-quo media were happy to go along with that version of events in which Deborah jean-paul free suddenly decided to kill herself rather than face the years in prison the story seemed so incredibly unlikely that even the establishment propaganda media as exemplified by none other than Geraldo were willing to take a look at the alternative viewpoint and it was quite clear that many people were just not buying the suicide story joining me now from Austin Texas the well-known radio host himself the conspiracy theorist and documentary filmmaker Alex Jones Alex interviewed Deborah Palfrey in March of this year when she told him what you just heard that she would never commit suicide so Alex welcome what do you think do you believe this to be as the authorities say it is Geraldo first of all thanks for having me on she was a very nice lady very genteel there's no doubt in my mind that she was murdered let me just go through some of the basic evidence she told me repeatedly on my radio show and those interviews are posted infowars.com in full that she would never kill herself as she wasn't planning to kill herself I pressed her during breaks in front of the board ops I said listen this is dangerous you've got to say who these people were you know do you know and she said well I'm not going to say I just want this all to end I said you've got to say who it was you're not safe she said listen I'll never kill myself if they claim that I was murdered so we have a tape of her saying she wouldn't commit suicide now NBC in Florida where she had a condo is reporting that one of her friends was the manager of the high-rise condos and he's on tape saying two days before she was killed before she died she left her mother's and said look I'm being followed I think there's a contract out on me I'm not going to kill myself is on tape then you look at brandy Britton she was facing six months in jail last year shot her mouth off miss Palfrey said the DC madam said and said I'm going to talk about who my John's are this is hypocritical she was a professor you know she had a psychology degree she was saying this is hypocritical I'm going to tell you my John's were and then she hangs herself number one Geraldo you covered a lot of criminology you know women don't normally hang themselves first one of her girls fills herself now she kills Hill Celtics at us exactly and on top of it her in fact 90% of women take pills that's why they do it now now men shoot themselves and hang themselves now on top of it her mother said she was happy saying she was going to fight it let me take a break stand by right there I have judge Pierrot and Kim guilfoyle also right back [Music] just a second before I continue our discussion on the death of Debra Jean Palfrey the so called DC madam who the authorities say committed suicide but some have doubts Alex Jones the popular radio host who interviewed Deborah Jane Palfrey had been saying just before the the commercial break that she the DC madam was a happy person once you finish that go tell and I get on to our other guest well Geraldo it's just that she told her mother she told the person that managed the condos where she lives she was friends with everybody that she was going to go on and going to fight others that knew her said that they she was going to write a book when she got out in about six to seven months could have been as many as 70 months but certainly not fifty years as some were saying and you have two women hanging themselves I mean this is ridiculous with these supposed you know very wealthy very powerful John's I think this is quote taking out the garbage somebody trying to get rid of a baton here you know an election your problem okay Alex Jones let's alex has a reputation sometimes of being you know flamboyant in his opinions let's say I don't know that to be the case about you at all but zero Gilfoyle what do you think well you know I had the opportunity Geraldo to interview Debra Jean about a year ago and I talked to her about Brandi Britain and her suicide and what she said to me is they don't just come and get you they terrorize you and but she made it very clear that she was not made of that and I agree with you a lot Mei does that mean she was not suicidal she was a woman who had a very strong core she was a fighter from the get-go and one of the things she said to me Geraldo was that look this isn't about Madam's this isn't about prostitution this is about me suggesting that there was no government program to take down prostitutes if there was a program she believed to take her down think about it you've got a top State Department official you've got a military strategist a United States Senator you've got all of these individuals lobbyists paying for prostitutes at the same time you've got the head of the Maryland State Police since being indicted and convicted for using the executive protection unit to move the prostitutes around he's got a federal prosecutor at that time who was murdered and who yet his case is unsolved you've got all kinds of corruption going on it's in Jonathan Luna and indeed I have the book the midnight ride of Jonathan Luna for anyone interested everything raises again really beautiful as Alan as a former prosecutor right away when I heard that this was an apparent suicide I couldn't believe it I was doubtful from the get-go if I was a prosecutor on this case I would make sure and investigate it very thoroughly I think it's far too coincidental that the two women involved in this would both hang themselves right there I think it gave hospitalize is the Justice Department sealing the names of the John when they could very easily be inviting them let me know Ella conan well that's an excellent question why would they have sealed the names of the John's in this case especially as the fine upstanding professional journalists at ABC News had already determined that there were no newsworthy names in the phone lists that they had received from debra jean paul free and why would there be cloak and daggers associated with her case why would they have even bothered to pursue her or follow her or put pressure on her in any way if there had been no names of any importance on that list well that's a good question and we'll come back to that in a moment but just to follow up on one of the things revealed in there as Alex Jones pointed out in that clip from the Geraldo show the building manager of the apartment that sorry the condo that she owned in Orlando had actually talked about her being followed and being very concerned about her own safety in the weeks preceding her death and that comes from an article from W es H comm on the 2nd of May 2008 building manager DC Madam's death not a suicide which reads in part quote Paul frees building manager said she often told him she believed she was being followed and he thinks there may have been some former clients and for escort service who wanted her dead she insinuated that there is a contract out for her and I fully believe they succeeded her building manager said Paul frees Lexus is still parked in the park like garage and the staff said on Monday she asked about making sure her condo fees would continue to be paid during what Palfrey anticipated would be six years in prison they said she left that day with some suitcases and a box she had one white paper file box that she told me had some important paper with her and then she just kind of raised her eyebrows like you're supposed to think oh yeah that's all the information that she had on her business in Washington her building manager said and quote if this story sounds familiar that's because we've heard it before we heard it in the case of teri yankee who supposedly committed suicide with some very valuable information that he was taking with him that he believed would blow the Oklahoma City investigation wide open and his of course grisly murder which was passed off as suicide which we've talked about in a previous episode of this podcast or we have people like the wife of E Howard hunt going down in United v 5/3 carrying millions of dollars worth of Treasuries and other securities that were to be used to pay off the Watergate burglars and now we have Deborah Jane Palfrey the DC madame carrying with her a box of her Washington papers believing she was being followed ending up hanging herself well let's get back to the incredibly important question of who was really on those phone lists for David EC Madam's escort service and to do that we'll go to Wayne Madsen who of course as many of my listeners will probably already know was an ex contract consultant for the National Security Agency and currently runs the Wayne Medicine report and he appeared on the Alex Jones Show shortly after the murder of the DC madam to talk about who was really on the list I would point out that ABC 20/20 they were the ones that promised the name names of her clients and they spiked the story I know for a fact they received pressure from Disney executives who in turn receive pressure from the White House not to run those names I reported that Dick Cheney was one of those clients I stand by that report I will continue to stand by that report and I have other names that are very close to Cheney I did meet with the gene Palfrey so on several occasions socially let me stop you for your own safety you better say everything you know right now was what was Debra Jean Palfrey your source that it was Dick Cheney somebody very close to Jean Palfrey was my source well we don't want them to get killed who was a source well I don't want a guy don't want to go into details you want to say right now you're not going to hang yourself tomorrow night I'm not going to hang myself I mean let's be clear you're not going to commit suicide oh they're saying all right all right now gotta commit suicide I'm very happy here I you know I want to I want to see this on January 20th of next year i want to see george bush blowing preferably to the hague and not back to the Crawford ranch so I'm going to stick around for that well this is dangerous waters here tell us look I would tell people what you do know because you know they're going to probably come kill you and others there's I'm not just weighing you know we're not joking well I love what they better take the bit you never better take your best shot be it they better not miss because I won't that's all I have to say but that but anyway know that Dick Cheney was obviously client I know for a fact also from very good sources there were a couple of GOP candidates one present Canada well I pretty much says so and some previous candidates for the GOP nomination for president were all so quiet so John McCain John McCain yes you think that's what this housekeeping to be about yet Craig Thompson and Rudy Giuliani and do you believe palfreys that she didn't know who these clients were I think she knows exactly who they were as a matter of fact remember her most of her clients were in McLaren Virginia that was the center of activity 13 years she had the most discreet escort service in Washington she didn't offend why didn't they leave her alone why are they killing all these women they're the ones that call them exactly and this is our corner and I clean it up they use them and now they're disposing of them and it's disgusting obviously the agency that I'm cleaning the CIA used these these girls because these were professional well-educated these were not barely as the English speaking Koreans or people from oh you think it's an intelligent you think it's an intelligence op you think these girls were being run by an agency I absolutely do and I feel that I I press teen on that medication she never told me that of course she may have made an agreement never to say that though that make oh you're saying you believe he was working for a subsection of the US or Israelis ur Russia no no I believe I believe mccomber Jamie obviously is where the CIA is located I believe I mean there wasn't subsections well you know it's infiltrated so you believe the US government was running an operation against against us targets well she said on this show that they were using her as bait to track people oh I believe that's true and I believe they were you know in Traktor Middle Eastern leaders we know that they were clients we know the Cheney was using them not only for his own predilections but also to entertain potential customers in the Middle East for Halliburton we know the chain I reported today I reiterated that from a Chinese top lieutenants at Halliburton and KBR Kellogg Brown and Root and we learn about the sexual harassment of KBR people this is an awful company and so is Halliburton we know that well it came out about a red-eye a head Porter a toss would go to the Watergate we're on one floor you had gambling the next floor you had the quote free hookers so it's just I mean why didn't they kill those girls I guess they don't know that we don't know that they haven't because Shirlington limousine that was delivering those women to the Watergate and to another hotel in Washington sherilyn limousine was transporting Pamela Martin and Associates escorts the escorts at work for Jean powdery Cheney Giuliani McCain we have the White House leaning on ABC News not to release the names we have the CIA and its fingerprints all over this and we have the DC madam found dead ruled a suicide for whistleblowers with key information out there let this and other stories be a warning that when you go public you better go public and when you go public don't trust the establishment media to get the information out for you this is not a game and the stakes could not be higher and many people pay with their lives and now it's up to us the true alternative to the establishment media to continue the investigation and to propagate this information I leave you today with the words of the DC madam Deborah jean-paul free jean-paul free says she's been humiliated too but that she won't let the government bring her down without a fight I would keep my head high I guess I made us something that brandy Britain wasn't made of you know i-i've got something in me what that is it can't be defined that there's something in me that won't let them get away with it and I'm not going to let these bastards with it you [Music]

The precedents that are being sent with this but people really need to understand this isn't just about Ross and me and the case there are very serious presidents being set with this case that will trickle down into the courts in the future and we're at a tipping point in history right now and the courts are grappling with how to deal with all of these things you're listening to the Corbett report welcome friends james corbett here corbettreport.com today is the 10th of June 2017 and we are talking to Lin Ulbricht and I'm sure that name is familiar to a lot of the audience already but for those who are not familiar Lin is the mother of Ross Ulbricht and the website that you're going to want to go to to get informed about Ross Ulbricht in the case against him is free ross org of course that will be linked in the show notes where you can read about the story of Ross Ulbricht who was arrested in October of 2013 charged and eventually convicted of being the founder and administrator of the Silk Road website and that is a large case in and of itself and lots to go through again I'm sure a lot of you have heard this story in other venues before but this is your first time on the program so Lin Olbrich thank you very much for joining us here today well thank you James for having me and really appreciate it well it is very important to talk about this story as anyone who's familiar with the story knows this is about so much more than any one individual this is about concepts that range all the way from the judicial system the judicial process and the right to a fair trial to the ideas of a gore-ism and and other subjects that I've talked about in my work in the past as being essential to the way forward out of the the problems that we find ourselves in today so it's a very very important case to talk about but before we get into the case and the details of all that perhaps we can set the table for today's conversation by talking about Ross Ulbricht as a human being can you tell us about him as as you know him as a mother as a child as a person what was he like in in the world Ross is an exceptional person and people who know him and need him say that pretty much consistently he's a very the pleasure to raise he was very easygoing mellow person and he still is but very intelligent lots of fun uh just a very pleasant person and he grew into and idealist and someone was very compassionate there's a hundred letters that were written to judge Forrest about Ross from people who knew him personally including for inmates and they paint a picture of a person who is rare exceptional and in his compassion and his idealism and wanting to make a difference in the world as well as just an easygoing down-to-earth human being and even journalists who said they were spent hundreds of hours talking to people about him did not find one person to say they just like drops in anyway and in fact quite the contrary that he was interested in helping the underdog that he was always he's very sensitive to others that's really what he's like he's a really amazing guy and he's handled the situation so well and made a difference in the prison tutoring teaching classes you know just been a blessing in there so I think very highly of Ross I'm not saying there Ross and the false or to make mistakes or but he's a person of integrity and idealism and his background and his original interests were in science he was a physics major and man he dies master's in material science he was never a computer programmer as my dad says I never knew a lot of programming languages or was very versed in that you scientists yeah and he he was very interested in how the world worked and worked in solar energy and all kinds of interesting things and wrote academic papers which I couldn't understand at all yeah I mean um then he became very interested in the Liberty movement with Ron Paul's campaign and in Austrian economics and algorism and those philosophies and according to the story that we've been told through the case that was brought against him it was in 2010 that he began working on what became the Silk Road and ultimately led to his arrest in 2013 can you tell us about the Russell Birk story from 2010 to 2013 from your perspective what was he doing at that time what was he talking to you about at that time um you know he was doing he was doing financial things with people he he was working on a Bitcoin exchange he told me about Bitcoin and I said will surely buy some and he goes no mom it's too volatile I think was worth about a dollar then not very good advice there but so he was an entrepreneur he had a book a used book selling business that actually he donated 10% I think it was or 8% I think was 10 to charity and actually he's been involved in lots of volunteer work but yeah so he worked on the computer and different adventures he went out to San Francisco because a friend said hey I'm going to do a startup do you want to be involved and he thought it'd be interesting so you live very simply and so that's what he was doing for my point of view he did spend time with us we have a business in Costa Rica that's off-grid out of the jungle and he spent six weeks with us during that time I don't see how anyone can run a worldwide you know zillion dollar market from there there wasn't an email but in any case yeah he and he loved nature he loves being out in nature and which is very hard because for the last three and a half years he's been in New York City in a very confined place that's um he's now been moved but he still isn't even a transition well so towards for my understanding and I haven't gone through all the documentation and I don't know the case back to front like you do but for my interest it was during the time at which sentencing was coming up that Ross wrote a letter to the judge asking for leniency asking to be spared his later years in life knowing that there was at least 20 year sentence coming um and in that letter he admitted to founding the Torah booklet imagine creating and he he has a concept and in fact previous to that he had created a video game and actually there's a LinkedIn passage about I've created a economic simulation you told me the economic simulation was that video game it was kind of modeled after World of Warcraft or Second Life type of thing but was based on Austrian economics and his idea was to have this video game played all over the world where people could have an experience of voluntary free market interaction through a video game and he talked to people about having it published he did he entered a entrepreneurial contest with it and it ultimately didn't sell but yeah so that's he was very involved with that but you know bad I forget yeah anyway welcome from the outside perspective then this looks like an open-and-shut case so here's this guy he's admitted to founding this website that was this vast drug or an organization he was caught in the library with his laptop open and with logged in as an administrator DPR Dread Pirate Roberts it seems like an open-and-shut case what then is the defense why why would you put up a defense against they'd be started well just to be clear he was in library downloading the Colbert Report that was in the trial and yes he did log on when the DHS agent came on and had him do that I don't I know now that he certainly wasn't the only person with that log in because after trial it's been discovered that another Dread Pirate Roberts used that account to log in after Ross was arrested so yes he did that when he coach to do orto asked to do that but he says that he was set up and he kept back into it and he got out of it was working at a Bitcoin exchange and then at the end back into it but that he wasn't running it the whole time the defense was not permitted to explore this it was they had a different perpetrator in their sights mark Repp Ellis and this was all coming out from the government's own evidence at trial with Jared Reagan who is a DHH DHS agent and what happened was as he was about to close in on her fellows and he had he had probable cause for warrants and everything DHS Maryland which is the site of two admittedly corrupt agents down prison alerted her palace by taking over $2,000,000 rooms account the next thing we hear from at trial was that repeal of his lawyers approached DHS Maryland and said we'll offer you a deal we will give you the PRS name if you back off our client the next two weeks later Ross is arrested this is very very interesting I think it raises some doubt I certainly would have liked to have heard more about this but it was shut down and the next I wanted to try it when we got back to trial the judge said all those that questioning was off limits and we could no longer pursue that as I said and since then we've also the defense's discovered evidence tampering which was there was a press conference about it last November which indicates a third corrupt agent deleted evidence and there's just so many unanswered things that remain sealed and undisclosed and even as though let's just say even if every it is an open-and-shut case which I don't believe it is I think it's a lot more to it double life plus 40 years for all nonviolent charges is horrible it's it's a brutal and so I don't it's defensible 20 years is a generation it is a long long sentence and to give someone double life without parole there is no hope it's a death sentence really it is a really really wrong and rather than the only one there are thousands of people now serving life who are nonviolent in our system and it's growing it's a record number of people it's a serious problem so can you talk about what the judge said in her sentencing was were the factors that influence that really remarkably long sentence right well she leaned on uncharged allegations of murder for hire the government never brought those charges to try they talked about them they were based on digital evidence which Adi expert will tell you is very vulnerable to tampering planting deleting she relied on that to justify her sentence even though Roz was not charged or convicted for it she also referenced his film philosophy and the philosophy of the site that called the government troubling and dangerous now where she called that troubling James called the garment the oppressor and she considered that troubling and dangerous to call the government the oppressor and said well I'm not sure if that's the philosophy you've given up and so implying that well he has to stay in a cage for the rest of his life because maybe he would still think of the government as an oppressor when he got out in 20 years that is a First Amendment problem in my opinion to use political views and philosophical views to bolster draconian sentence so you know there that those were two things that really stood out in the sentencing that I thought were really wrong there are also parents of people who had died of drug abuse allegedly from drugs from Silk Road we hired a pathologist who said there's absolutely no way you can prove that in any case that would mean every web host where someone bought something on my site would be liable for that person's debt for instance Amazon sold cyanide to a teenage girl and her mother suing Amazon sank Amazon's responsible and you can see how this is a slippery slope for vicarious liability that is way out there but in any case it wasn't proven that these people died from Silk Road as a Roth was responsible for this but it was brought in sentencing frankly seem like a circus to me to have and it was it was awful I felt really bad for these people had lost a child even though they were brought of age where one month anyway it was like they weren't children but they were they had lost them and I understand that but I don't see the place in a sentencing this is not proven at trial this was never proven at all and that was relied on um there were many things in active sentencing that bolster de sentence that I think shouldn't have been in there she could have given him 20 years and that's a long sentence you know but I think it was punitive yeah there's a fencing Reform Act that Congress passed saying a sentence should be sufficient but no longer than necessary she never really said why it was necessary to give him that long sentence and it's not Ross could leave today and you would not break the law Ross is you know not fit into that and certainly in 20 years he's not allowed on the Internet so in 20 years not having been on the internet to think that he's a threat to come build another so grown is absurd and yet that's what they're doing they said they're doing it to set an example and deter others which is completely hasn't happened and in fact the opposite has happened this darknet sales have increased tremendously and the sites are much bigger than Silk Road ever was so it hasn't to turn anybody and hasn't served any purpose except to waste Ross's life let's just backtrack a little bit because I think one of the most startling parts of this story that I think still people don't really know about in depth are the fact that that we know there are convicted DEA agents and agents of various sorts that were absolutely involved in stealing from the Silk Road site completely corrupt agents that have access to tamper with various chat logs and things that their evidence was presented in trial and the evidence that these were in fact convicted agents who who had been rogue was disallowed from trial that's really startling let's talk a little bit about that aspect of the story well not only was there evidence alone they were not allowed the jury wasn't allowed to know they even existed and one of them Shawn bridges was working for the NSA at the time by the way the defense didn't even know he existed until after trial and the defense process and said look this is relevant the jury has a right to know the two corrupt agents were not only stealing from the site but they were experts in crypto technology they had the ability to change passwords pin numbers chats on the forum and the marketplace it could act as many aliases including Dread Pirate Roberts who were all supposedly was the only one they had all kinds of abilities to tamper with his evidence that the jury was shown and yet the jury wasn't allowed to know they even existed until after the trial and the defense said wait we'll just postpone they go we have to do our investigation we don't want to alert these these agents and the defense said okay let's wait we'll have a fair trial later and the judge wouldn't allow that and then it turned out they already knew they were under investigation they've been interviewed by law enforcement so it was such a you know travesty and the other brady rule said you're not allowed to hide evidence that is this culpa Tory that you're allowed to the jury is allowed to know and things that are helpful to the defendant and they didn't know a thing about it it's absolutely remarkable I mean there is an on its face that there's a complete that's me that is a mistrial there's there's no way unless yeah well the appellate court in New York doesn't think didn't agree and I think there is now evidence for a third agent that deleted a bunch of information can you tell us about that yeah after trial the defense mode in six terabytes of discovery evidence on to the defense pretrial but a lot of materials go through and so they didn't you know wasn't capable of doing it all but they continued after trial and came across an obscure folder that had good material between DPR and someone called not wonderful who was saying he was a law enforcement agent wanted to sell DPR information which DPR agreed to pay him for and there's another folder showing payments this file was completely what was in the evidence that was shown to the jury had a whole big part truncated totally deleted that indicated his corruption and there was and if that hidden file had not been discovered no one would be the wiser and it and deleted the thing by digital evidences there's no fingerprint there's no witnesses you do not cannot forensic we prove something's been tampered with the other thing was found during the same discovery was this login by using the Dread Pirate Roberts account seven weeks after Ross was in prison we don't know they only shows the last login so we don't know how many times this person logged in how many of them there were how long would it been going on but it's there now this is not part of the appeal because this was not brought out in the trial because we'd know about it and so it would take another trial to have this come out a change seems like a travesty you've got detention yeah and the defense had a you know a press conference about it and wrote on the government about it and has the information it's not I'm not just saying it it it's there but we have to go through the legal steps alright well unfortunately there is even worse news that has come out recently obviously relating to the appeal of that conviction can you tell us about the news well the appellate court the Second Circuit completely denied the entire appeal just two convictions the part about the corrupt agents the sentence so that devastating frankly I thought that they would at least give him another chance the descends because it so many people were outraged with the sentence and it's not just for Roth there's some funny as I said nonviolent people who physically hurt anyone and I'm not saying you know look you can make an argument for sentencing but life for nonviolent crimes is just and there's your parole no chance at redemption there's no chance to make restitution you're done you are sealed away for life to die amazing people who are violence I didn't think they do it and they even said well we might not have given that sentence but she was under her discretion so we can't change it so then the next step is to appeal the appeal which is a petition for rehearing we hear that the Second Circuit very very rarely he hears anything and kind of winning the lottery but you try and then the next step that's available is to submit a writ of certiorari to the Supreme Court on whatever issues you know you want them to hear so the climb gets steeper and steeper it's very difficult but only 10,000 petitions are entered and you know submitted to the Supreme Court and they take about 85 of them again like winning a lottery of sorts yeah well and I understand that Ross has been moved from the Metropolitan Correctional Center in New York where he was being held where has he been moved in well and he was held there longer than normal because he wanted to be near his lawyers and she doesn't have privileges and wanted to be able to work on the appeal but so it's really a transitional facility and which is why hardly ever got outside at all because it's very contained in Manhattan but now he's been moved he's into processing centers what they do in they send them to Oklahoma and he's like wow it's so spacious now he's like wow it's not a closet you know but he has been as far as we know he'll be designated to Florence USP in Colorado which not to the Supermax which is like the most serious Supermax in the system but to a high-security he doesn't I was just reading over before the show all the criteria from being in a lower security prison which he meets all of them you know nonviolent all the different things none of his defenses but because this judge gave him such a long sentence he all those gets swept aside and he has to be in a high security even though he poses no threat to anyone because it's the sentence well and their course they're much more dangerous places I'm very concerned about his safety I'm happening back home security prisoners Ross is not violent he's totally peaceful God you know and I'm concerned well not to add to the concern but even the federal transfer center in Oklahoma City is well we'll be familiar to my listeners as the place work in Kenneth Michael turn admit his untimely end at the hands of federal authority yes so whoa well okay I didn't know about that yes it is not a happy picture right now yes yeah well it is it is a just a terrible case in every way imaginable and of course if the intent is to send the message from the government to people out there generally that just using Ross as a figurehead that if you talk about algorithms if you talk about trying to use Bitcoin if you talk about in any way trying to exist outside of the system we have constructed for you look what we have in store it's a very very scary message for them to be sending and I'm sure that there are people listening to that message what has been a real quick for that because there's a criminal defense attorney Scott Greenfield who wrote in this body goes that's why you got the sentence because he had the hubris to think that he could create a virtual Agora outside government control that's why does the drug drug sentences with Silk Road offenders long as one is ten years it's not about drugs it's about an idea it's about privacy it's about Bitcoin Chuck Schumer's behind it was on the Senate Finance Committee and I believe of Bitcoin was very alarming to them it's about those things it's the sensationalism around it and you were very perceptive because when I think you right at the beginning said wait a minute there's a bigger picture here and so right past all of sensationalism very few people did so to your credit because that's exactly what it is and so anyway it's about you better not create an Agora you better not because and it seemed relative like the hand on the spike of the medieval castle that's what's going to happen to you that doesn't work apparently but that that's what they're doing well Ron I thought we were supposed to be judged as individuals not to be made some kind of sacrificial lamb yes exactly well Russ is a political prisoner I don't think there's any to weighing around them absolutely has he has he made any mention of that as he talked about that aspect of this well I'll meet ya I mean he I believe agrees we don't you know we haven't talked a lot about that I believe he thinks that you know that he he feels like he's been treated very unfairly and then he wants his dying to tell his story himself because he feels like the media started terribly at the trial distorted it and he wants to be able to say who he is he wanted to testify to trial he wanted to be open and communicate and was advised not to and still has been because you know Ross is when you read about in the media and then you know him there's such a disconnect but it's also he wants to talk to you know basically saying what he had in mind was privacy and voluntary interaction that's what he care about rustling care about drugs didn't really care about making a ton of money or any of that kingpin and all that Sun who he is so we've talked about all that well speaking of Media smears in Kington I have read American kingpin by Nick Bilton oh you don't have to I don't recommend people go out and buy the book but at any rate I have read it would you like to respond to any of built-ins reporting reporting in that work of non fiction quote unquote yeah well you know Nick Belton was very much wanted me to be involved in that book and I was warned by someone who knew that it was going to be the government narrative and he the same person's only the Hilton or the people involved told him that the government supplied them with material a year before trial they said them their version so I believe the government couldn't convict Ross of murder for hire themselves they got built-in to do it for them and he bases the whole thing on this is true it's not even proven a little bit extra side read have shown distortion about things I personally know about where you know it's things like oh well he lived in a basement and it was a what he owned the house for the basement was a finished basement he owned the Hat brought on the house and he rented rooms stairs in college we don't like you with some strange troglodyte living in a basement you know that kind of thing yeah okay you live it and there's a lot of this sort of distortion and sensationalizing it creates I guess a good movie treatment I haven't read the book um yes clearly don't you um your pee I don't want to read it it really is upsetting in a lot of ways specifically because of course it's written like a novel or something where he puts you in the minds of the characters as if he knows what they're speaking at a moment to moment basis it's ridiculous but very effective I'm sure I'm sure a lot of people will read that and come away quite convinced that they know what they know about the case at any rate there's a lot of um being said public that's what happens if you really want to dig into it isn't work it's yeah it's much more sensationalism sensationalizing and kind of exciting – yeah of course that's interesting the hearing responds well Indian arts yeah well again I don't want people putting any money in the pockets of guilt okay well don't buy the books at any rate well they're so so so much that we should and could talk about here I would like to finish off by talking about your own experience of this politically in terms of your own awareness of or activism in the realm of Ag or ism or the Agora what was your own understanding of this before any of this happened and what is it now a I mean towards entrepreneurial and entrepreneurs we lean towards we with us alone manraja supporting Ron Paul I certainly didn't disagree with anything there so it wasn't a huge leap for me in that sense but my eyes have really been opened by seeing up close and personal home how the government operates and I have been chopped and I have been alarmed and the precedents that are being sent with this but people really need to understand this isn't just about Ross and me and the case there are very serious presidents being shipped with this case that will trickle down into the courts in the future and we're at a tipping point in history right now and the courts are grappling with how to deal with all of these things and you know the idea of vicarious liability where you can blame someone for someone else's action the use of digital evidence to put someone away for life when a mortgage company won't even take a screenshot of a bank statement that core has a lower standard of evidence that a mortgage company or you know the use of corruption of course they're there are the preclusion of the corruption but there's so many precedents that will impact all of us the privacy aspect the I mean there's so many I realize more and more as I propelled will do this now this is so much bigger and how we live in serious times and I I'm very concerned about it and so I do feel that it's a bigger mission I do want to have my son free I desperately do but it's also a bigger cause for me now and the people that I've met through this were just amazing people you know I think we're at a very important struggle right now and I think we're in danger of losing our freedom and we need to people my River want people to wake up about it well if you want to know what the government is afraid of just look at the way they treat people like Ross so clearly I'm or ISM is something that they do fear and that a message that I'm sure my audience will be receptive to is it something that I talked about quite a bit so people who want to help you in your mission in the appeal of the appeal and in the outreach generally that you do at free Russ org how can people support that mission well there's all kinds of ways on free rest at heart of course one of the ways the government crushes individuals is to bankrupt them basically it's very very expensive so we always need financial help but also in connections if you have ideas you can reach me through that website on the contact pages email me I see all the emails and you know any kind of connections to get the word out to spread the word to help us on social media to spread the word to counteract this narrative that's being that Roz is being smeared with as a person as well as to point out the importance of the issues that will affect us all so there's lots of waste lots of different levels and yeah we really appreciate the support we've gotten tremendous support and do need it we're one family you know and now so thank you yeah thanks for having me well as you say this is about so much more than one individual or one family that you are shouldering so much of the the brunt of this so I really do hope that people will go and help help out what they can in whatever way they can even just spreading information about free Resort and about the work that you're doing there because again this does affect everyone one way or another in the long run all right Lynn Obrecht thank you very much for your time I certainly do hope that we can have you on again in the future to talk about further developments Abby great thanks so much Chancellor invision The Colbert Report is brought to you by you your support makes the Corbett report possible sign up for the subscriber newsletter or purchase a DVD at corbettreport.com slash support