Follow up to this article here: Ebay and PayPal Appear to Cover Up Fraud Ebay and PayPal APPEAR to be colluding with these frauds as they have registered this guy 3 times.  Each time he uses the same method.  Same address. If you are a user of PayPal then you need to know that if you are paid by an international user they can reverse the payment to you up to 1 month down the line NO QUESTIONS ASKED. I’ve put off writing this article because I do not want to educate the scammers but its apparent that alot of people do not know the PayPal payment spin maneuver.  If you sell internationally what are you going to do to protect yourself ?  More importantly we need to as honest sellers team up to squash these con men out.  For all the promises of "coverage" by Ebay and PayPal they will drop you like a hot rock and you will be out the money if you are suckered by one of these international criminals. Below is an example of a person that clicked on one of my eBay auctions: borisbursh ( 11)  AKA  alexrokomarterehov

      

Member since May-10-06 in Ukraine

 

Positive feedback rating GREAT BUYER EASY TRANSACTION A++ Seller:         

Jul-11-07 18:30
Positive feedback rating GREAT BUYER EASY TRANSACTION A++ Seller:         

Jul-11-07 18:30
Positive feedback rating A+ Buyer Seller:         

Jul-11-07 16:02
Positive feedback rating GREAT Item and Price, Fast Shipping, Would Do Business Again! :) :) :) :) Seller:         

Jul-11-07 12:56
Positive feedback rating Fast Payer. Thanks for the business!!! Seller:         

Jul-10-07 13:59
Positive feedback rating a true ebayer spot on Seller:         

Jul-08-07 05:23
Positive feedback rating perfect transaction quick and efficient Seller:         

Jul-08-07 02:26
Positive feedback rating Good Ebayer, Fast Payment Seller:         

Jul-06-07 22:33
Positive feedback rating Fast-Excellent transaction – many thanks and enjoy!!! Seller:         

Jul-06-07 06:59
Positive feedback rating fast payment great ebayer A+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Seller:         

Jun-29-07 06:59
Positive feedback rating timely payment , good communication , reliable instructions ,thanks for purchase Seller:         

Jun-29-07 05:36
Positive feedback rating Hope to deal with you again. Thank you. Seller:         

Jun-26-07 01:06

 
The contact info that came with this clickage is: Dmitriy Kovalivnich 49-17 Zelinskogo st. Mariupol, Donetsk 87556 Ukraine.  He used this same address multiple times to register on ebay.  Ebay registered him with a new user ID each time.
 
Do you see anything suspicous about this profile ? You should. 
 
Observations: While the account was signed up for over a year ago all the purchases recorded in his feedback are very recent within a short interval of time. 
 
How can the sellers improve their security?  The payment was reversed on Jul-13-07.  That same day his profile showed up the dreaded Not a registered user .  Thus ebay knew there was something wrong.  And since ebay owns PayPal you can assume that PayPal knows something was wrong.  Yet its very likely neither ebay or PayPal will cover any loses on this.  When he clicked on my auction I tried to get Ebay / Paypal to cover my loss.  They refused.
 
What the users did wrong was post feedback before a month after payment had lapsed.  At the one month point it becomes challenging to get PayPal to reverse.  The first users all happy jackass-like posted positive feedback the minute they received payment.  They have thus unwittingly help bilk the later sellers.  They look and see 100% positive feedback on a growing number of transactions and are lulled into complacency.  Had the sellers waited this guy would have had a feedback number = (0) and everyone would have been very wary. 
 
Generally I use the following verbage for buyer criteria in my auctions:     Buyers outside the USA must have:    
  • at least 20 points with 100% feedback rating for a period that exceeds 3 months                    — or —    
  • at least 50 points with 98% or better feedback rating for a period that exceeds 3 months 

What this does is make it a whole lot of work for the scammer to generate a feedback profile. It also costs them some money to generate it. In the case of honest or mostly honest foreign buyers it also puts them on notice that if they want to buy from the largest surplus pool in the world, the USA, they have better not reverse any payments.   When I sell outside the states its always stated as an "AS-IS" with no returns and I am not responsible for loss.  This is because generally speaking any sort of signature from an item shipped via USPS costs a pile of money.  Thus your only practical choice is a fire and forget shipping method.  Thus by using my stipulations it highly discourages false claims that a package did not arrive.  Also having been out of the country I have seen what a big favor we are doing when we ship out of the country.  Prices are quite elevated from some things in other countries.  The buyers there simply have to accept some loss as the price of getting really good deals.  If you need proof of this check www.MercadoLivre.com.br pricing on computer equipment. 

I have a few other highly secret techniques for spotting these scammers. I won’t divulge them because it could possibly help the scammers and make the techniques useless. The take away lesson of this article is DO NOT LEAVE FEEDBACK FOR AT LEAST ONE MONTH AFTER YOU ARE PAID VIA PAYPAL.  You might still get some losses but you’ll slow them down because you will make it harder for them to sting others. Ebay / PayPal is trying to expand their business by increasing their international transactions.  This is because the domestic market is saturated.  However they will do this at your expense.  Don’t expect alot of coverage from them.  They won’t give it.  And I deduce they do not want you to know that !

UPDATE:  Paypal will pretend to be investigating for 1 month before actually clearing a payment reverse like this.  During this time they will be hoping your temper will cool down and you will forget about the issue.  My theory on that is do not get mad……..Get even.   You can get even by spreading knowledge in this article to the people you know.  Let people know that PayPal is a dangerous form of payment.  This is because they portray themselves as safe to the unsuspecting seller and in reality the payment can be reversed like this.   PayPal / Ebay knows about this but keeps it quiet.     

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51 Comments

Shambhu MonsterID Icon Shambhu · July 15, 2007 at 7:24 am

Finally some useful info! Thanx so much, This is important to know. I only sell in the U.S.A, anyway. I think you should get hold of Chris Hansen, and Dateline N.B.C. They also do stories on international computer scams, just don’t mention how you feel about under-aged girls!

webmaster MonsterID Icon webmaster · July 15, 2007 at 8:25 am

I spent some time yesterday feeling sad I didn’t get to hop that train with you,Nick and John Shithouse!

GINSU MonsterID Icon GINSU · July 15, 2007 at 8:28 pm

Yes, think I got scammed by Borisbursh on ebay. Says he didn’t get the item and PayPal took his/my money back. I’ve still got to reply to the PayPal inquiry so we shall see how it goes.

webmaster MonsterID Icon webmaster · July 15, 2007 at 8:53 pm

BorisBursh is of course lying. Its very unlikely that every package sent him is lost. In fact for some countries it is not even enough time for packages to arrive.

GINSU MonsterID Icon GINSU · July 15, 2007 at 9:08 pm

True – true. I did mention to PayPal there wasn’t enough time for it to arrive before he filed for the

    \[. I'm definitely not going to lose any sleep over this - I'm out a couple of\]

and a little time but understand the need to educate and spread the word to other ebayers about scams – from buyer/sellers and the bedshaking mating of ebay and PayPal.

webmaster MonsterID Icon webmaster · July 15, 2007 at 9:48 pm

I’m very competitive. I hate to let the scammers win. Energy diverted from the good is fed to the bad. The bad behavior reproduces and the world becomes an even crappier place. Where it not for karma there would be no holding the place together!

Laurence H. Levin MonsterID Icon Laurence H. Levin · August 17, 2007 at 9:46 am

This scammer’s email is now: marricksy@yahoo.com.

His address is still:
Dmitriy Kovalivnich
49-17 Zelinskogo st.
Mariupol, Donetsk
87556
Ukraine

His Ebay user’s ID is now: alexrokoma

webmaster MonsterID Icon webmaster · August 20, 2007 at 4:18 am

I just saw the last comment. Its amazing. This scammer is using the same name as he used before and I believe even the same city!!! Street address is the only part different. All this yet Ebay lets this guy sign up again. The only difference this time is that he scammed 25 people instead of 10 this time! He realizes he must go more quickly in order to scam more people with each new ebay ID.

Laurence H. Levin MonsterID Icon Laurence H. Levin · August 20, 2007 at 3:52 pm

What I don’t understand is how this guy can reverse charges on so many people. Why would Paypal accept that?

Also, webmaster, you are mistaken. The address is the same.

Laurence H. Levin
Ebay User ID: Beakybird

webmaster MonsterID Icon webmaster · August 21, 2007 at 4:19 pm

PayPal has to follow rules the are legal on both sides of any international border. I ASSUME that their policy is required because as I understand it the same situation does not occur in domestic transactions. The bad thing is PayPal surely does not publicize this gaping gotcha!

webmaster MonsterID Icon webmaster · August 24, 2007 at 7:50 am

This same fellow tried the same trick in March 07 with me. He used the same address as with the subsequent scams. This and Ebay has accepted his membership 2 times after the first scam!!!

Dmitriy Kovalivnich
49-17 Zelinskogo st.
Mariupol, Donetsk 87556
Ukraine
0235682365

webmaster MonsterID Icon webmaster · September 16, 2007 at 1:07 pm

The Alexrokoma ID has been shut down on ebay…..I wonder what his next ID
is??? He has done this 3 times already so I know he’ll go for a fourth.
This last ID he did a higher volume of ripoff buys. Any idea how to find
his next ID? If you know anything make sure to get back to me. In
addition you should complain to ebay and reference the original article
where we documented this 3 identities: —

Michael MonsterID Icon Michael · October 21, 2007 at 11:53 pm

The next name was “highobelisk” and i bought from him a camera.He did it like i read here with his older accounts.Today i got an email from Ebay that also this account was canceled now.60€ for nothing.

webmaster MonsterID Icon webmaster · October 24, 2007 at 3:50 am

FYI : Ebay was emailed at after the 3rd identity and informed of this article. They were asked if they were going to let him register again and they refused comment. Thus they did and he has done this a FOURTH time.

webmaster MonsterID Icon webmaster · January 18, 2008 at 4:35 am

Dmitriy Kovalivnich has obviously completed another cycle of scamming and reversed payments. I know this because I see in my site search statistics a bunch of searchs landing here from GOOGLE for Dmitriy’s name and address. SOMEONE PLEASE COMMENT AND LET EVERYONE KNOW WHAT HIS LATEST ID IS !

Cfrito Auctions MonsterID Icon Cfrito Auctions · January 21, 2008 at 10:08 am

anlogvins is the new userid.

Same address and contact info.

Same scam. I’m out $12 unless Paypal gives it back to me.

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